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Date of Call: October 29, 2025
third-quarter revenue of $202.7 million, exceeding both second quarter results and the midpoint of their outlook range, with a non-GAAP gross margin of 41%, up 250 basis points from the previous quarter.The improvement in gross margins was driven by cost reduction initiatives, including labor cost reductions and targeted manufacturing spending decreases.
DRAM and HBM Growth:
double-digit sequential growth in the third quarter, primarily due to growth in HBM, with HBM revenue reaching $40 million.The growth is attributed to increased demand for products like HBM4 and expectations for continued growth, supported by rising test intensities with higher speeds and bit counts.
Systems Segment Momentum:
sequential revenue increase in the third quarter and forecasts further growth in the current fourth quarter.This momentum is driven by progression towards initial production of co-packaged optics and significant investments in advancing quantum computing.
Outlook for Future Margin Enhancements:
target model quarterly revenue run rate earlier than achieving the target model gross margins of 47%.Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
HBM Revenue Growth and Crossover
It involves differing expectations for HBM revenue growth and the timing of the crossover from HBM3 to HBM4, which impacts revenue projections and investor expectations.
What are the growth drivers and challenges for HBM in 2026, and how does HBM4E's customization affect probe card intensity? - Craig Ellis (B. Riley Securities, Inc.)
2025Q3: The crossover in HBM revenue from HBM3 to HBM4 is occurring in Q4. Growth is expected in HBM4 due to increased test speeds and layer counts. - Mike Slessor(CEO)
What is the margin potential for HBM4 products, and how significant is the impact from Q2 to Q3? - Brian Chin (Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Inc.)
2025Q2: We expect HBM4 to have higher ASPs for high-speed cards due to delivering more value. - Michael D. Slessor(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Gross Margin Improvement Strategies
It involves differing explanations for the strategies aimed at improving gross margins, which are critical for financial performance and investor expectations.
Will 2026 gross margins reach 45% due to mix or cost initiatives? - Christian Schwab (Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC)
2025Q3: We aim for 45% gross margin in 2026 through changes in cost structures, not just mix. Structural improvements in manufacturing cycle times and yields will impact gross margins. - Aric McKinnis(Senior VP & CFO)
What residual customer or HBM4 product costs remain in the third-quarter gross margin guidance? - Brian Edward Chin (Stifel)
2025Q2: Improved gross margins are driven by cost improvements, not just mix. - Shai Shahar(CFO)
Contradiction Point 3
HBM4 Growth Expectations
It involves differing expectations regarding the growth of HBM4, which is a key revenue driver for the company and crucial for future revenue projections.
Can you outline the growth drivers and challenges for HBM in 2026 and the impact of HBM4E's customization on probe card intensity? - Craig Ellis (B. Riley Securities, Inc.)
2025Q3: The crossover in HBM revenue from HBM3 to HBM4 is occurring in Q4. Growth is expected in HBM4 due to increased test speeds and layer counts. - Mike Slessor(CEO, President & Director)
Are two customers ramping up in HBM4, and how are the hyperscalers progressing? - David Duley (Steelhead Securities)
2024Q4: Most of the increase in HBM revenue this quarter came from HBM3, with contributions from HBM4. We expect HBM4 revenue to grow as new designs ramp in 2025. - Mike Slessor(CEO, President & Director)
Contradiction Point 4
Gross Margin Improvement Strategy
It involves differing explanations for how the company plans to improve gross margins, which directly impacts financial performance and investor expectations.
Will 2026 gross margins reach 45% through mix or cost initiatives? - Christian Schwab (Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC)
2025Q3: We aim for 45% gross margin in 2026 through changes in cost structures, not just mix. Structural improvements in manufacturing cycle times and yields will impact gross margins. - Aric McKinnis(Senior VP & CFO)
If Foundry & Logic and microprocessors remain smaller, how will corporate gross margin be affected? - Thomas Diffely (D.A. Davidson)
2024Q4: Improvement beyond that $250 million is primarily a function of indirect materials costs, both from volume and pricing and from lower-performing products that we're able to move out of the -- out of the mix. - Shai Shahar(CFO)
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