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FRE margin of 32.3% in Q3 2025, which is the highest level achieved year-to-date. - The improvement was driven by platform growth, operational leverage from strong fundraising in funds, and disciplined cost execution.BRL 19 billion in capital formation and appreciation, leading AUM to reach BRL 316 billion.
The expansion is attributed to the uncorrelated nature of the strategy, low penetration in institutional portfolios, and an increasing appetite for private market solutions.
Product Performance and Client Engagement:
16% year-over-year.
Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
FRE Margins Improvement Expectations
It involves changes in financial forecasts, specifically regarding FRE margins expectations, which are critical indicators for investors.
Is the current FRE margin improvement sustainable for the next quarter, or could other factors slow it down? - William Buonsanti Barranjard (Itau BBA)
20251114-2025 Q3: We expect to maintain margins in the 30s without the Verde acquisition, and possibly reach the mid-30s with Verde's inclusion. - Bruno Sacchi Zaremba(CFO)
Has the improvement in FRE margins stabilized enough to serve as a baseline for next quarter, or will factors like lower advisory fees in the next quarter slow this improvement? - William Buonsanti Barranjard (Itaú Corretora de Valores S.A., Research Division)
2025Q3: We expect margins to remain in the 30% range for Vinci standalone. With the Verde acquisition, we expect several hundred basis points of margin impact, pushing margins to a mid-30 level. - Bruno Sacchi Zaremba(CFO)
Contradiction Point 2
TPD alts Inflows and Future Growth
It directly impacts expectations regarding future growth and financial performance, particularly in relation to TPD alts inflows.
What portion of Global IP&S inflows is due to TPD alts, and how should we view future IP&S inflows and the role of TPD alts? - Lindsey Shima (Goldman Sachs)
20251114-2025 Q3: TPD alts had a BRL 2 billion positive impact this quarter. The fourth quarter might be slower, but overall, the picture is constructive. - Bruno Sacchi Zaremba(CFO)
How much of the strong Q3 Global IP&S inflows were from TPD alts, and how should we view this segment and broader IP&S inflows moving forward? - Lindsey Shima (Goldman Sachs)
2025Q3: TPD alts had a BRL 2 billion positive impact this quarter. The fourth quarter may be slower, but liquid flows started strong. Medium to long-term growth is optimistic. - Bruno Sacchi Zaremba(CFO)
Contradiction Point 3
FRE Margin Improvements
It involves differing expectations regarding the timeline and factors influencing FRE margin improvements, which are crucial for financial forecasting and investor expectations.
Should the new FRE margin level be used as a base for the next quarter, or are there factors that could slow improvement? - William Buonsanti Barranjard (Itau BBA)
20251114-2025 Q3: There is some seasonality in expenses, with the third quarter being lighter. Some costs related to the combination are starting to reduce. We expect to maintain margins in the 30s without the Verde acquisition, and possibly reach the mid-30s with Verde's inclusion. - Bruno Sacchi Zaremba(CFO)
When will the FRE margin reach a low 30s run rate, and how much will cost control initiatives contribute? - Lindsey Marie Shema (Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Research Division)
2025Q2: We expect to migrate to a low 30s FRE margin rate by the second or third quarter of next year, aided by cost control initiatives and integration benefits. - Bruno Zaremba(CFO)
Contradiction Point 4
IP&S Inflows and Contributions
It involves differing explanations regarding the contributors to strong Global IP&S inflows, which impact the company's growth and investment strategy.
What portion of Global IP&S inflows was due to TPD alts, and how should we expect this to evolve, along with the overall IP&S inflows? - Lindsey Shima (Goldman Sachs)
20251114-2025 Q3: We see tailwinds from increased institutional contributions in Chile and Mexico, higher interest from high-net-worth individuals, and low penetration in Brazil. - Alessandro Morgado Horta(CEO)
What net inflow level is reasonable to expect in the second half? How should we forecast GP income and financial results considering the J-curve effect? - Guilherme F. Grespan (JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division)
2025Q2: We expect over the next year to have around BRL 200-300 million of additional commitments flowing from the liquid funds into the closed-end funds, impacting net income. - Bruno Zaremba(CFO)
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