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Date of Call: October 29, 2025
consolidated revenue of $626 million for Q3, above the midpoint of their guidance range, reflecting a 2.2% year-on-year decline. - The performance was driven by growth in the Integrated Care segment and expectations to meet or exceed the full-year guidance.Integrated Care revenue was $390 million, up 1.5% over the prior year, despite a headwind from a prior period billing adjustment.Growth was supported by strong international business performance, contributions from acquired companies, and solid U.S. membership numbers.
BetterHelp Segment Challenges and Insurance Initiatives:
BetterHelp revenue decreased to $236.9 million, with a 4% year-on-year decline in average paying users to 382,000.The decline was due to weak consumer sentiment and strong competition, but the launch of insurance coverage offerings shows promise with $4 million in insurance revenue.
Cost Management and Efficiency:
adjusted EBITDA was $70 million, representing a 11.2% margin, with performance in the Integrated Care segment achieving a 17% margin.Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Implications of BetterHelp Insurance Rollout on Margins
It highlights differing expectations on the impact of BetterHelp's insurance rollout on its margins and profitability, which are critical for financial forecasting and investor expectations.
How is the insurance transition impacting BetterHelp's margins and long-term profitability? - Jamie (Citigroup Inc. Exchange Research)
2025Q3: Insurance margins are expected to be lower than cash pay margins, aligned with public proxies. The investment thesis is to leverage 4 million-plus consumers seeking therapy, allowing for greater conversion with insurance acceptance. - Mala Murthy(CFO)
What is the margin difference between cash pay and insurance for BetterHelp, and what is the rollout strategy for insurance? - Richard Collamer Close (Canaccord Genuity)
2025Q2: Insurance margins are expected to be lower than cash pay margins, aligned with public proxies. The investment thesis is to leverage 4 million-plus consumers seeking therapy, allowing for greater conversion with insurance acceptance. - Mala Murthy(CFO)
Contradiction Point 2
Impact of Subscription Model Shift on Revenue
It involves differing perspectives on the impact of the transition from a subscription model to a pay-per-visit model on revenue, which is crucial for revenue projections and market strategy.
How are the discussions for the 2026 selling season progressing, and how are you engaging clients in value creation through contracts? - Lisa Gill (JPMorgan Chase & Co.)
2025Q3: The transition to a pay-per-visit model has been ongoing for a few years due to post-pandemic market maturity. Currently, over 50% of virtual care revenues are from visit-based arrangements. - Charles Divita(CEO)
Where are we in the transition from a subscription model to a pay-per-visit model? - David Harrison Roman (Goldman Sachs)
2025Q2: The transition to a pay-per-visit model has been ongoing for a few years due to post-pandemic market maturity. Currently, over 50% of virtual care revenues are from visit-based arrangements. - Charles Divita(CEO)
Contradiction Point 3
Insurance Impact on BetterHelp
It involves differing perspectives on the impact of insurance on BetterHelp's business model and financial performance, particularly regarding cost of acquisition efficiencies and the transition from direct-to-consumer cash pay to insurance offerings.
How is the shift to insurance affecting BetterHelp's margins, and what long-term profitability factors should be considered? - Jamie (Citigroup Inc. Exchange Research)
2025Q3: As insurance revenue ramps up, we will see efficiencies in cost of acquisition over time. - Mala Murthy(CFO)
What are the trends in BetterHelp's CAC, particularly domestically vs. internationally? - Eduardo Ron (Truist)
2025Q1: The trends are stable, with favorable conversion rates in the weekly subscription. No significant differences between U.S. and international. - Mala Murthy(CFO)
Contradiction Point 4
BetterHelp Pricing and Revenue Model
It involves the pricing and revenue model of BetterHelp, specifically regarding the impact of the weekly subscription offer on churn and revenue per member.
Do BetterHelp's margins reflect DTC advertising customer acquisition costs, and what opportunities will arise in 2026? - Jessica Tassan (Piper Sandler & Co.)
2025Q3: Ad spend in BetterHelp drives traffic. As we transition to insurance, conversions should improve, leading to efficiencies in cost of acquisition. - Mala Murthy(CFO)
How has the weekly subscription offering affected BetterHelp's churn? Why couldn't the core BetterHelp network secure payer coverage? - Jessica Tassan (Piper Sandler)
2025Q1: The weekly subscription offer at a lower price point increases conversion rates. While it also increases churn due to reminders, it remains net positive compared to the monthly offer. The LTV metric remains stable. - Mala Murthy(CFO)
Contradiction Point 5
BetterHelp Business Model Sustainability
It involves differing perspectives on the sustainability and growth strategy of BetterHelp, which is a critical component of the company's revenue and market positioning.
How is the insurance transition affecting BetterHelp's profit margins, and what long-term profitability dynamics should be considered? - Jamie (Citigroup Inc. Exchange Research)
2025Q3: As we transition to insurance, we will see efficiencies in cost of acquisition over time. - Mala Murthy(CFO)
How do 2025's operational factors compare to 2024, and what is the sustainable direction for BetterHelp's business model? - David Roman (Goldman Sachs)
2024Q4: For BetterHelp, stabilization and sequential growth are priorities. International expansion and platform improvements contribute to the model's sustainability. - Mala Murthy(CFO)
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