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Date of Call: October 31, 2025
discretionary AUM of $24.3 billion, up 3% sequentially and 8% year-over-year. - The growth was primarily driven by beneficial equity markets, organic new client accounts, and strong market appreciation.$31.3 million, increasing 2.9% year-over-year.Expenses for the quarter increased by $4 million or 15.4%, primarily due to increased compensation and benefits expense and general and administrative expenses.
Shareholder Returns and Buyback Program:
$25 million in May 2025, with approximately $16 million worth of shares repurchased by the end of Q3.This reflects the company's strong balance sheet and commitment to supporting ongoing capital returns.
International Expansion and Global Strategy:
Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Expansion and Investment Timeline
It involves differing expectations for the timeline of returns from the firm's investments in expansion and new initiatives, which directly impacts financial expectations and strategic planning.
How will AUM and revenue growth align with current expense levels to enable leverage? Is an 18-24 month timeline expected, or can visibility be provided? - Christopher Marinac(Janney Montgomery Scott LLC)
2025Q3: Multiple investments are ongoing, with timelines varying. The expansion includes domestic, Asian/Australian, and European efforts, impacting headcount by around 15 people in the last year. While bulk investments occurred within the past 1.5 years, some investments, particularly in institutional marketing and the global value equity team, are expected to yield returns within the next 6 to 12 months. The firm anticipates meaningful progress in the coming quarters. - Richard Hough(CEO)
Can you analyze expenses and the timing between additional revenue and expenses? - Christopher Marinac(Janney Montgomery Scott)
2025Q1: We expect increasing margins year-over-year driven by growth in our global value and international value teams. Investments in Southeast Asia and Europe will take more time to bear fruit. We plan to grow into our investments by year-end 2026, with a focus on improving operating leverage. - Richard Hough(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
OCIO Asset Pipeline
It involves the assessment of the OCIO asset pipeline, which is crucial for understanding the potential growth and future revenue of the company's OCIO business.
What's the current status of your OCIO assets? - Sandy Mehta (Evaluate Research Limited)
2025Q3: OCIO assets are nearly $2.2 billion with a strong pipeline. Recent wins include a $70 million foundation. The performance of the OCIO portfolio has been strong, enhancing the firm's service model. - Richard Hough(CEO)
Is the OCIO pipeline meeting expectations? Will it contribute more to the overall mix? - Christopher William Marinac (Janney Montgomery Scott LLC, Research Division)
2025Q2: The pipeline has come down, but we expect it to improve. We have a $100 million mandate final coming up, which could increase our OCIO business by 5% if successful. We are working to strengthen the pipeline and build the business. - Richard Hough(CEO)
Contradiction Point 3
EBITDA Margin Expectations
It involves expectations regarding the company's EBITDA margin, which is a crucial financial metric for assessing profitability and efficiency.
Over the next few years, will the EBITDA margin return to previous levels? Will the EBITDA margin be recast as the company becomes one with a broader focus? - Christopher Marinac(Janney Montgomery Scott LLC)
2025Q3: The EBITDA margin will return to previous levels barring further new investments. The firm has significantly grown its capabilities, and once the current investments bear fruit, the company will resemble its historic highs in earnings and EBITDA. - Richard Hough(CEO)
Can you provide more details on the pipeline and your outlook for OCI and global growth? - Sandy Mehta(Evaluate Research Limited)
2025Q1: We expect the revenue to grow faster than expenses, leading to an improvement in our operating leverage with the resulting margin expansion for the full year. - Richard Hough(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Investment and Hiring Strategy
It highlights differing perspectives on the timing and impact of investments on the company's ability to leverage expenses and achieve financial targets.
How can we align AUM and revenue milestones with current expense leverage? Is an 18–24-month timeframe appropriate, or can you provide visibility? - Christopher Marinac (Janney Montgomery Scott LLC, Research Division)
2025Q3: Multiple investments are ongoing, with timelines varying. The expansion includes domestic, Asian/Australian, and European efforts, impacting headcount by around 15 people in the last year. While bulk investments occurred within the past 1.5 years, some investments, particularly in institutional marketing and the global value equity team, are expected to yield returns within the next 6 to 12 months. The firm anticipates meaningful progress in the coming quarters. - Richard Hough(CEO, President & Chairman)
Can you and Scott discuss operating leverage over the next few years, particularly whether you still expect to achieve it as you execute the pipeline and focus on profitable throughput? - Christopher Marinac (Janney Montgomery Scott)
2024Q4: In a steady state without making personnel investments, we could reach high 20s for an EBITDA margin and potentially near 32% with performance fees. However, given investments in new opportunities and hiring, it will take time to achieve these margins. The medium-term target is to get there by 2026, assuming everything falls into place. - Richard Hough(Chairman and CEO)
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