SABESP’s Earnings Call Contradictions: Personnel Cost Reclassification and Discount Recovery Timelines Diverge

Date of Call: Mar 17, 2026

Financials Results

• Revenue: Adjusted net revenue of BRL 5.7 billion, growing 2.1% year-over-year (full year: BRL 22.2 billion, up 2.2% YOY).
• Operating Margin: Adjusted EBITDA margin expanded to 60% (full year: 60%, up from prior year).

Business Commentary:

Operational and Financial Performance:

• SABESP reported adjusted net revenue of BRL 5.7 billion for Q4, growing 2.1% year-on-year, and adjusted EBITDA of BRL 3.4 billion, representing 13% growth.
• The increase was driven by disciplined system management, expansion of customer base, and cost efficiency initiatives.

Capital Expenditure and Infrastructure Expansion:

• In 2025, SABESP's CapEx reached BRL 15.2 billion, more than double the level invested in 2024, with a focus on water safety and infrastructure expansion.
• This investment supports the company's commitment to accelerate universalization and expand infrastructure capacity.

Subsidized Rate Programs and Social Inclusion:

• The number of units benefiting from subsidized rates doubled to nearly 2 million connections, impacting approximately 6 million people.
• This expansion reinforces SABESP's role in supporting social inclusion while maintaining financial sustainability.

Water Resilience and Future Capacity:

• SABESP increased system transfer capacity by 14.2 cubic meters per second between 2015 and 2025, with plans to add another 12.8 cubic meters per second by 2030.
• This is supported by BRL 5.9 billion in investments aimed at improving water safety and resilience.

Regulatory and Strategic Developments:

• The company concluded the acquisition of EMAE's shares, enhancing its reservoir capacity potential by up to 52% in the long term.
• SABESP continues to pursue strategic opportunities and regulatory engagements to support long-term value creation.

Sentiment Analysis:

Overall Tone: Positive

• Management stated results 'demonstrate the operational and financial improvements achieved since the company's transformation began' and that 'SABESP's transformation is not only about operational efficiency and financial performance, it's about converting scale, discipline and capital into long-term value for society and shareholders.' CEO emphasized they 'tried to accelerate as much as we can' and are 'able to execute more in 2026, we will do more in 2026 and we'll try to maintain that pace if not accelerate that pace as much as we can.'

Q&A:

• Question from Bruno Amorim (Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Research Division): Can you give us an idea of the potential upside to the BRL 70 billion number for total CapEx in this cycle? Also, what types of investments are we talking about?... And the second question on the fourth quarter, the analyzed level of CapEx was around BRL 19 billion per year. So does it mean we can see another step up in CapEx to this level? Or it was fourth quarter kind of a one-off?
  Response: The increase to the CapEx plan ($70B at 2022 prices, updated for inflation and bringing forward future cycles) is driven by advancing investments in water safety, metering upgrades with smart meters, and network sensing to improve operational efficiency. The company aims to accelerate CapEx execution as much as possible to meet universalization targets, with the pace dependent on regulatory approval.

• Question from Francisco Navarrete (Banco Bradesco BBI S.A., Research Division): ...on the operational one, just to check on 4Q results, the payroll line came quite low... if there's a higher level of capitalization of this expense in 4Q '25 as it was in 4Q '24 and if there is, should this be... a seasonal effect or it's a one-off... And then the second question... How are you thinking about [capital allocation]... versus investing in concessions... like COPASA...?
  Response: The low personnel expense in Q4 is a result of annual cost center revisions and capitalizing more costs into CapEx as investments grow; it is not a one-off but a reflection of full-year operational changes. Regarding COPASA and other opportunities, the company prioritizes large, accretive deals but finds it challenging due to size and regulatory/economic conditions. They are also pursuing smaller tuck-in acquisitions in São Paulo and view the Universaliza concession as a competitive opportunity in their backyard.

• Question from Ricardo Bello (Safra): Could you please elaborate on the evolution of the reduction of discounts granted to larger customers. How much of this gap still remains to be closed? And on CapEx related to water security, if you guys could provide an update on the progress of these projects for this year and the next year and the expected time lines.
  Response: The company has captured about BRL 450 million from removing large client discounts in 2025, with virtually all contracts addressed and a small volume impact; remaining injunctions are estimated at BRL 50-100 million. For water safety CapEx, BRL 700 million was spent in 2025, with 2026 spending expected between BRL 1.5-2 billion, and a total pipeline of approximately BRL 8 billion across the concession period.

Contradiction Point 1

Nature of Personnel Expense Fluctuations

The characterization of the personnel expense reduction as either a one-time event or part of a recurring annual process impacts the predictability of future financial performance and cost management strategies.

Francisco Navarrete (Banco Bradesco BBI S.A.) - Francisco Navarrete (Banco Bradesco BBI S.A.)

2025Q4: The lower personnel expense in Q4 reflects annual cost center revisions and greater CapEx absorption of indirect costs. It is not a one-off but part of a yearly process. - Daniel Szlak(CFO)

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2025Q3: The impact of the social tariff (Tarifa Paulista) in Q3 was BRL 117 million. ... Recovery will occur through the regular tariff revision process, with adjustments incorporated into future rates starting from January 1, 2027, as per the concession contract amendment. - Daniel Szlak(CFO)

Contradiction Point 2

Status of the Voluntary Dismissal Program

The company's stance on future voluntary dismissal programs affects human capital planning and employee morale, and is critical for understanding the company's strategic priorities and financial planning.

Ricardo Bello (Safra) - Ricardo Bello (Safra)

2025Q4: The company's #1 priority is to deliver on its own privatization obligations. Given its strong execution cadence, it is now also looking opportunistically at external M&A. It will evaluate any deals that come to market, including Copasa and potential blocks in Sao Paulo, but action depends on the specific process and timing. - Carlos Leone Piani(CSO)

Could you elaborate on the evolution of the reduction of discounts granted to larger customers, the remaining gap, and provide an update on the progress and expected timelines for CapEx related to water security? - Daniel Travitzky (J. Safra Corretora de Valores e Cambio Ltda, Research Division)

2025Q3: No new voluntary dismissal programs are planned. The current program (SABESP Gente) is the last one, with about 1,800 employees departing by year-end. Replacements will be made for specific positions as needed, but the program is concluded. - Carlos Leone Piani(CSO)

Contradiction Point 3

Resolution Timeline for Large Client Discount Gap

Contradiction on the timeline for resolving the large client discount gap affects the predictability of future revenue recovery and regulatory compliance, which is crucial for financial planning and investor expectations.

What were Ricardo Bello's key points during the Safra earnings call? - Ricardo Bello (Safra)

2025Q4: In 2025, the company captured BRL 450 million from removing discounts, with less than a handful of contracts remaining. - Daniel Szlak(CFO)

Could you elaborate on the evolution of the reduction of discounts granted to larger customers and how much of this gap remains, and please provide an update on the progress and expected timelines for CapEx related to water security? - Francisco Navarrete (Banco)

2025Q1: The remaining discount gap (BRL50-60 million) is expected to be resolved by year-end 2025, assuming no further legal injunctions. - Daniel Szlak(CFO) & Carlos Piani(CSO)

Contradiction Point 4

Characterization of Personnel Expense Reduction

Reiterating the nature of personnel expense fluctuations as part of an annual process versus a one-off event is crucial for understanding the consistency and reliability of the company's cost management practices.

Francisco Navarrete (Banco Bradesco BBI S.A.) - Francisco Navarrete (Banco Bradesco BBI S.A.)

2025Q4: The lower personnel expense in Q4 reflects annual cost center revisions and greater CapEx absorption of indirect costs. It is not a one-off but part of a yearly process. - Daniel Szlak(CFO)

Was the lower Q4 payroll expense due to increased capitalization compared to Q4 2024, and is this a seasonal effect or a one-off? - Thiago Levy (SABESP)

2024Q4: Excluding the voluntary termination plan, the personnel line reduction was driven by: 1. A 5.5% lower number of employees year-on-year due to process revisions, and 2. A methodological adjustment in Q4 for indirect cost allocations linked to CapEx. Additionally, significant CapEx acceleration (40% executed in Q4) absorbed more personnel costs. - Daniel Szlak(CFO)

Contradiction Point 5

Expected Timing for Full Impact of Large Client Discount Removal

The timing for the full financial impact of discount removals influences revenue forecasting and regulatory compliance timing, which is important for financial transparency and stakeholder communication.

Ricardo Bello (Safra) - Ricardo Bello (Safra)

2025Q4: In 2025, the company captured BRL 450 million from removing discounts... BRL 50-100 million in related injunctions remains to be finalized, with over 70% already won. - Daniel Szlak(CFO)

How has the reduction of discounts to larger customers evolved, and what remains of this gap? - Bruno Amorim (Goldman Sachs) / Carolina (Safra)

2024Q4: The impact will be more material in the second quarter of 2025 than the first... Regulatory feedback on the new discount policy is pending, which may also influence the outcome. - Carlos Augusto Leone Piani(CEO)