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Date of Call: October 28, 2025
$1.10 for Q3, with a 7% year-over-year increase, exceeding internal expectations. - This growth was driven by a record non-GAAP operating margin expansion of 10 basis points to 10.8%.3% year-over-year, with growth across all major brands.The recovery is attributed to improving macroeconomic conditions, increased return to office activity, and conversion of nonviable space.
Residential Building Products Stability:
The segment's stability is due to strong price point breadth, channel reach, and operational agility despite a soft new construction environment.
Steelcase Acquisition Outlook:
$120 million and ultimate accretion to earnings of $1.20 per share.Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Synergy Expectations from Steelcase Acquisition
It involves differing expectations regarding the financial benefits from the Steelcase acquisition, which are crucial for investor expectations.
Is the $1.20 accretion from Steelcase based solely on the synergies outlined? - Gregory Burns (Sidoti & Company, LLC)
2025Q3: That $1.20 of accretion from Steelcase is based on the $120 million synergies we initially outlined. The share count works out to about $1.20 in accretion. - Vincent Berger(CFO)
What's driving the improved visibility and earnings outlook? - Reuben Garner (The Benchmark Company, LLC, Research Division)
2025Q2: The HNI acquisition of Kimball International, which we announced in May of last year, provides a great opportunity for long-term growth. In addition to the synergy opportunities that we've already outlined, this acquisition will generate $120 million in operating synergies by 2027. - Vincent Paul Berger(CFO)
Contradiction Point 2
SMB Market Recovery
It involves differing perspectives on the recovery of the small and medium business (SMB) market, which impacts revenue projections and market positioning.
How much of the Workplace segment's opportunity by sector reflects return-to-office versus non-office verticals? - Brian Biros (Thompson Research Group, LLC)
2025Q3: We see potential in both areas, with verticals being particularly strong. Volume growth has accelerated in the last 2 quarters. - Jeffrey Lorenger(CEO)
Is the SMB business showing signs of life different this time? - Gregory John Burns (Sidoti & Company, LLC)
2025Q2: I don't know that it's a traditional pattern in that respect because I say our contract business is performing well right now. - Jeffrey D. Lorenger(CEO)
Contradiction Point 3
SMB Orders and Market Trends
It highlights differing perspectives on SMB orders and market trends, which could impact investor expectations and strategic planning.
How do current industry-wide office volumes compare to pre-pandemic levels? - Gregory Burns (Sidoti & Company, LLC)
2025Q3: We're likely down 30% to 35% on volume due to pricing actions and tariffs. Even if it returns half of that, there's still significant opportunity for mid-single-digit volume growth for years. - Jeffrey Lorenger(CEO), Vincent Berger(CFO)
What were SMB order numbers last quarter, and have there been any changes in order patterns or buying activity? - Greg Burns (Sidoti)
2025Q1: SMB orders were down 5%. We expect orders to pick back up, as orders started to improve over the last five weeks. - Jeff Lorenger(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Residential Building Products Growth Expectations
It reflects different expectations for growth in the residential building products segment, which is crucial for forecasting and strategic planning.
Can you continue to outperform the residential building products market in volume? - Reuben Garner (The Benchmark Company, LLC, Research Division)
2025Q3: Given our investments, we can outperform the market. We're already outperforming with new construction orders and retail. We're positioned to stay ahead of the demand curve. - Jeffrey Lorenger(CEO)
What were SMB order numbers last quarter? Have there been any changes in order patterns or buying activity? - Greg Burns (Sidoti)
2025Q1: Our funnel looks good. Backlog is encouraging. - Jeff Lorenger(CEO)
Contradiction Point 5
Volume and Market Recovery
It involves differing perspectives on the recovery of industry-wide volumes and market conditions, which could impact revenue forecasts and investor expectations.
How do current industry-wide office space volumes compare to pre-pandemic levels? - Gregory Burns (Sidoti & Company, LLC)
2025Q3: We're likely down 30% to 35% on volume due to pricing actions and tariffs. Even if it returns half of that, there's still significant opportunity for mid-single-digit volume growth for years. - Vincent Berger(CFO)
Are you seeing signs of improvement or stabilization in the SMB business? - Greg Burns
2024Q4: The SMB side is flattish. We are well-positioned and expect revenue upside towards the back half of the year as stabilization occurs. - Jeffrey Lorenger(CEO)
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