Q3 2025 Earnings Call: Contradictions Emerge on Respiratory Study Scheduling, Non-IPF-ILD Design, and Inclusion Criteria

Guidance:

• Request end-of-Phase-II meeting with FDA in Q4 to align on Phase III design and NDA-enabling work.
• Plan to initiate IPF Phase III programs and RCC Phase IIb dose-ranging study in H1 next year.
• Prepare to initiate a non-IPF-ILD study after alignment on the IPF pivotal program.
• Design Phase III populations to be broad/real-world and allow background antifibrotics.
• Cash & investments ~ $195M providing runway into 2028 to fund two IPF Phase III trials, non-IPF-ILD study, RCC trial, long-term extensions and supportive Phase I studies.

Business Commentary:

• Strong Financial Performance and Clinical Advancements:
• Trevi Therapeutics reported a net loss of $11.8 million for Q3 2025, compared to a net loss of $13.2 million in the same quarter last year, indicating a 10.3% improvement.

• This improvement was primarily due to decreased clinical trial expenses and increased cash runway, enhanced by raising approximately $115 million in June.

• Successful Clinical Trials and Market Expansion:

• Trevi successfully completed Phase I studies and achieved positive data readouts in the CORAL and RIVER trials for chronic cough, which are expected to expand market opportunities.

• The company anticipates initiating Phase III trials in the first half of 2026 and planning studies in refractory chronic cough and non-IPF-ILDs to double the market opportunity to more than 228,000 patients.

• Research and Development (R&D) and FDA Interactions:

• Trevi's R&D expenses decreased to $10.1 million in Q3 2025 from $11.2 million in the same quarter last year.

• The decrease was primarily due to completed clinical trials, although increased costs from new studies were noted.

• FDA Interactions and End of Phase II Meeting:

• Trevi plans to request an end of Phase II meeting in the fourth quarter of 2025 to align with the FDA on the Phase III program for treating chronic cough in IPF patients.
• The meeting will focus on the Phase III study design, endpoints, and other parameters to ensure alignment with regulatory requirements.

Sentiment Analysis:

Overall Tone: Positive

• Management highlighted "positive data readouts in both the CORAL trial... and the RIVER trial," raised "approximately $115 million" in June and has "cash and investments totaled approximately $195 million" with runway into 2028; presentations at CHEST/ERS drew strong investigator interest and attendance.

Q&A:

• Question from Ryan Deschner (Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division): Have you narrowed down more of what inclusion/exclusion criteria you would target for the non-IPF-ILD study, maybe in terms of, in particular, what constitutes chronic cough in those studies? And would you exclude any ILDs from an initial study in the space off of that?
  Response: Inclusion will be based on lung fibrosis extent and cough burden (typical thresholds ~10 coughs/hour); the cohort will be broad and may only carve out 1–2 conditions later as protocol is finalized.

• Question from Ryan Deschner (Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division): And maybe quickly just on the DDI study. Would you anticipate needing to do any more studies like that for a trial like this or subsequent trials outside of IPF chronic cough and RCC?
  Response: Yes — additional Phase I DDI work is expected, specifically studies addressing CYP-mediated metabolism (notably CYP2C9 and CYP2C19) including a likely 2C9 inhibitor interaction study.

• Question from Annabel Samimy (Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division): For the respiratory study, you had interim results from the DSMB saying that you didn't have any issues. Do you need to complete that study before you have the end of Phase II meeting with FDA? And is there any other hurdle that you need to get past for that specific meeting? And then separately, if you could just share a little bit of the feedback that you've been hearing from the CHEST meeting at this point. How are the pulmonologists looking at this? And how do you start thinking about targeting the market that you're looking at?
  Response: You can submit the end-of-Phase-II package without fully completing TIDAL but will have available data for the meeting; CHEST feedback was very positive with high investigator interest; commercial work (burden raising, segmentation, physician/payer research) will begin next year to define targeting.

• Question from Leland Gershell (Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division): As you head into the end of Phase II meeting, are there any particular questions or issues that you would like to address your clarity on? And then I also wanted to ask on the drug-drug interaction side. Is there any need for Trevi to run interaction studies in patients who may be on other opioids concomitantly?
  Response: The end-of-Phase-II meeting will seek clarity on Phase III protocol design, endpoints, duration, statistical approach and safety database size; other opioids are contraindicated and excluded from trials (risk of opioid withdrawal due to antagonist mechanism).

• Question from Judah Frommer (Morgan Stanley, Research Division): Could you help us with latest thinking on potential to incorporate the non-IPF-ILDs into the Phase III program for IPF? Will you get any clarity on that at the end of Phase II, do you think? Or do you have to wait for that subsequent interaction? And then what are your thoughts on launching with both indications in the same label versus sNDA? And secondarily, any thoughts on changes in CDER leadership and impacts of the program?
  Response: Strategy is to focus the end-of-Phase-II meeting on IPF to secure clear Phase III guidance, then pursue non-IPF-ILD via a subsequent Type C meeting; leadership changes at CDER have not materially affected interactions to date and the FDA has been responsive.

• Question from Serge Belanger (Needham & Company, LLC, Research Division): I think in the past, you've discussed the potential of Haduvio being eligible for orphan drug exclusivity in IPF cough. Just curious if you have any updated thoughts on that? And whether that's something you will seek like an orphan drug designation in the upcoming end of Phase II meeting with FDA?
  Response: They will apply for orphan drug designation for IPF cough, but plan to submit after the end-of-Phase-II meeting to avoid distracting that discussion.

• Question from Roanna Clarissa Ruiz (Leerink Partners LLC, Research Division): Given the evolving IPF landscape with recent positive data from United Therapeutics' TETON study, how could that impact how Haduvio fits into the prescribing approach and treatment algorithm of physicians? And what do you hope to see in the TIDAL results in terms of best-case scenario and impact on the end of Phase II discussion?
  Response: Antifibrotic advances don't reduce the need for cough therapy — Haduvio can be used before or concomitantly with antifibrotics — and the ideal TIDAL outcome is no respiratory depression signals, which would support moving forward unchanged.

• Question from William Wood (B. Riley Securities, Inc., Research Division): Could you walk through high-level dosing/titration for Phase III? Will you allow background antifibrotics? Will you look at biomarkers? And will trials be conducted at same sites or expand?
  Response: Phase III will use 54 mg BID as top dose with an extended titration from 27 mg (titration to mitigate transient GI/CNS AEs); background antifibrotics will be allowed (>80% were on them in CORAL); no biomarker endpoints planned; sites will include prior ex‑US centers plus expanded U.S., Canada and Europe centers.

• Question from William Wood (B. Riley Securities, Inc., Research Division): The end of Phase II package, once submitted and discussed, will you relay that to investors/public?
  Response: They will wait for the FDA meeting minutes (~30 days) then update investors (likely on an earnings call or similar forum), not necessarily via a standalone press release.

• Question from Kaveri Pohlman (Clear Street LLC): How well do the current trials match real-world patients considering inclusion/exclusion, comorbidities and other drugs? For future trials (IPF and RCC) will you broaden eligibility to be more diverse or keep criteria the same?
  Response: Phase III will be as broad and real-world as practicable — refining IIb criteria to broaden eligibility and generally allowing concomitant medications unless they interfere with cough measurement.

• Question from Kaveri Pohlman (Clear Street LLC): For the RCC Phase IIb, will you study the same dosing as Phase IIa or test QD options given safety?
  Response: They will drop the 108 mg top dose, explore once-daily dosing (including a 27 mg QD arm) while retaining BID regimens.

• Question from Kaveri Pohlman (Clear Street LLC): Regarding the respiratory safety study, will you be assessing long-term effects and need to keep patients on to provide that data, or is that not required?
  Response: TIDAL is a targeted controlled study requested by FDA; long-term safety data will be collected in Phase III and the expectation is to provide ~52 weeks of safety data.

Contradiction Point 1

Respiratory Depression Study and Its Impact on Scheduling

It involves the significance and impact of the respiratory depression study on the scheduling of Haduvio, which could potentially influence regulatory and commercial aspects of the drug.

Must the respiratory study be completed before the end-of-Phase II meeting? Are there other hurdles to clear for the meeting? - Annabel Samimy (Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division)

2025Q3: The FDA is interested in a study to ensure no respiratory depression signals. We'll have the data available for the end of Phase II meeting. The goal is clean results that don't impact the program. - James Cassella(Chief Development Officer)

If the respiratory depression study yields unexpected negative results, is there an obligation to submit them to the DEA for scheduling? - Brandon Richard Folkes (H.C. Wainwright)

2025Q2: Respiratory safety study results won't directly impact scheduling. Scheduling is more related to abuse liability. - James Cassella(Chief Development Officer)

Contradiction Point 2

Non-IPF-ILD Study Design and Timing

It involves the design and timing of the non-IPF-ILD study, which could impact the company's development strategy and regulatory timelines.

What inclusion/exclusion criteria are you targeting for the non-IPF-ILD study, specifically regarding chronic cough definitions? And would you exclude any ILDs from an initial study? - Ryan Deschner (Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division)

2025Q3: We plan to start a study in the first half of 2026. The study will be broad, focusing on the lung disease and cough. At this time, no specific ILDs will be excluded. - James Cassella(Chief Development Officer)

Can you explain the parallel design for the non-IPF-ILD study and whether it's a basket trial? - Annabel Eva Samimy (Stifel)

2025Q2: The non-IPF-ILD study will be a parallel arm design, not a basket trial. We will include patients with similar fibrosis mechanisms, potentially enrolling patients with different comorbidities. This design aligns with the fibrotic mechanism commonality across cough indications. - James Cassella(Chief Development Officer)

Contradiction Point 3

Inclusion Criteria and Study Scope

It involves the inclusion criteria and scope of the non-IPF-ILD study, which could impact the study's design and patient population, potentially affecting the drug's development and efficacy.

Have you determined specific inclusion/exclusion criteria for the non-IPF-ILD study, specifically regarding chronic cough criteria? Would you exclude any ILDs in the initial study? - Ryan Deschner( Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division)

2025Q3: The study will be broad, focusing on the lung disease and cough. At this time, no specific ILDs will be excluded. - James Cassella(Chief Development Officer)

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2025Q1: The ILD study will follow a crossover design similar to the IPF trial, focusing on patients with fibrosis and chronic cough. - Jennifer Good(President and CEO)