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63% year-over-year in Q3.The growth was driven by the transition of seven properties to the SHOP portfolio and the acquisition of four properties for $74.3 million.
Dividend and Financial Guidance Increase:
$0.92 per share dividend for shareholders of record on December 31, 2025.The guidance for NAREIT FFO was increased by 2% and normalized FFO by 10.4% compared to 2024, reflecting better-than-expected results from SHOP conversions and loan receivable payoffs.
Operational Challenges and Corrective Measures in Same-Store Portfolio:
2.2% decline in NOI year-over-year, with occupancy declining by 110 basis points. Corrective measures were taken, including addressing issues in specific buildings, improving tour processes, and enhancing resident engagement to improve future performance.
Impact of Loan Receivable Payoffs and Capital Recycling:
$43.8 million in mortgage and other notes receivable, primarily due to payoffs with limited future ownership opportunities.
Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
NHC Portfolio Renewal and Default Status
It involves the differing descriptions of the NHC portfolio renewal notice and default status, impacting lease negotiations and financial forecasts.
Where do we stand on the NHC portfolio renewal notice given the potential default? - Juan Sanabria (BMO Capital Markets)
2025Q3: NHC is potentially in default due to non-compliance with lease provisions. There is a possibility that the renewal notice may be illegal, which could lead to arbitration or litigation. The renewal rate, if valid, would be at a market rate rather than the current rent level, subject to interpretation. - Eric Mendelsohn(CEO)
Can you provide an update on the NHC process and how it relates to land, buildings, and having the right board bench to execute it properly? - Rich Anderson (Wedbush)
2025Q1: We are going through an independent board committee, which is led by our independent Chairman. And we are working with Blueprint Advisors, which is a real estate advisory firm, to help us look at the market value of the assets. - Eric Mendelsohn(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
SHOP Portfolio Performance and Operators
It involves the performance and operator changes within the SHOP portfolio, impacting occupancy and overall financial performance.
What are the remediation efforts for the SHOP portfolio and the reasons for units being taken offline? Is there a potential change in operators or a planned change? - Juan Sanabria (BMO Capital Markets)
2025Q3: A building in California had plumbing issues and needed all first-floor units taken offline. We are working closely with our operators, Discovery and Merrill, to address performance issues without contemplating operator changes. - Kevin Pascoe(CIO)
Will the Discovery triple-net transitions proceed smoothly? Will there be any disruptions in rent collection or changes in straight-line rent accounting? - Juan Sanabria (BMO Capital Markets)
2025Q1: The transition is expected to be managed smoothly. There will be a handoff and some revenue-producing CapEx. The relationship with Discovery will continue. - Kevin Pascoe(CIO)
Contradiction Point 3
SHOP Portfolio Performance
It concerns the performance and occupancy levels in the SHOP portfolio, which can impact the company's financial outlook and strategic positioning in the market.
What are the remediation steps for the SHOP portfolio and the reason for units being taken offline? Are there potential operator changes? - Juan Sanabria (BMO Capital Markets)
2025Q3: Occupancy rate was 87.8%, a decline of 40 basis points in the quarter. The decline was driven by higher move-outs at our smaller buildings. - Kevin Pascoe(CIO)
What caused the recent decline in SHOP occupancy, and will it reverse? - Otmotayo Tejumade Okusanya(Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division)
2025Q2: The softness is due to local leadership changes and abnormal move-outs. We expect occupancy to return to normal as leadership adjustments are made. - Kevin Carlton Pascoe(CIO)
Contradiction Point 4
NHC Portfolio Renewal and Default Status
It involves the differing interpretations of the NHC portfolio renewal notice and default status, which could significantly impact lease negotiations and financial forecasts.
Where do we stand on the NHC portfolio renewal notice given the potential default? - Juan Sanabria (BMO Capital Markets)
2025Q3: NHC is potentially in default due to non-compliance with lease provisions. There is a possibility that the renewal notice may be illegal, which could lead to arbitration or litigation. The renewal rate, if valid, would be at a market rate rather than the current rent level, subject to interpretation. - Eric Mendelsohn(CEO)
What is the market for NHC's assets regarding appropriate market coverage if a fair deal is secured upon lease expiration? - Richard Anderson (Wedbush)
2024Q4: NHC has been very busy with these discussions with regard to the renewal. That's happening. The market is very robust for these buildings. Market coverage would be around 1.3 to 1.4. Transition to new operators would need consideration for CapEx and management fees, and active discussions are ongoing. - Eric Mendelsohn(CEO)
Contradiction Point 5
SHOP Portfolio Performance and Operators
It highlights the differing perspectives on the performance of the SHOP portfolio and the role of operators, which directly impact the company's strategy and financial outlook.
What are the remediation steps for the SHOP portfolio and why were units offline? Is there a planned change in operators? - Juan Sanabria (BMO Capital Markets)
2025Q3: We have identified a few buildings with occupancy challenges and are addressing them. A building in California had plumbing issues and needed all first-floor units taken offline. We are working closely with our operators, Discovery and Merrill, to address performance issues without contemplating operator changes. - Kevin Pascoe(CIO)
What is the potential impact of SHOP conversions on earnings? - Juan Sanabria (BMO Capital Markets)
2024Q4: We're not unhappy with the way the SHOP transition has gone. Holiday, which is one of the largest, has had a 3% growth year-over-year. We've made a lot of progress with that. - Eric Mendelsohn(CEO)
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