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Date of Call: November 4, 2025
8% increase in net orders for Q3 compared to the same period last year and a 44% increase compared to Q2.up 20% year-over-year and 62% sequentially.
$397 million in revenue for Q3, down 39.2% year-over-year, primarily due to a 39.4% decline in closings.21.5%, and adjusted gross margin was 24.5%, both in line with guidance.895 homes under construction, down 40.8% sequentially and 54.7% year-over-year.62,564 owned and controlled lots, a decrease of 8.8% year-over-year.The focus on rebalancing inventory and managing land supply ensures competitive lot cost advantages, supporting margin stability and affordability.
Capital and Liquidity Position:
$1.75 billion of debt outstanding, with a debt-to-capital ratio of 45.7% and a net debt-to-capital ratio of 44.8%.$429.9 million, including $62 million in cash and $367.9 million available under the credit facility.
Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Incentive Strategy and Market Conditions
It highlights shifts in company strategy regarding incentives and market conditions, which can impact sales and financial performance.
What drove the acceleration in orders? Is it a strategic shift toward higher volume or an effort to clear aged inventory? - Trevor Allinson(Wolfe Research, LLC)
2025Q3: This is more market-driven and affordability-driven, not a shift in strategy. Rates are important for entry-level buyers, and when rates went down, our sales went up. The company has been offering more competitive buydowns and promotional rates, like a 3.99% promotional rate, and increased advertising, which has driven more leads and sales. - Eric Lipar(CEO)
Is there a minimum absorption pace you shouldn't drop below in an inelastic market, even if it requires increasing incentives to maintain it? What is this minimum level for you? - Trevor Scott Allinson(Wolfe Research)
2025Q2: We're forecasting slightly lower gross margin because we're leaning into incentives, especially on the older aged inventory. We're incentivizing heavily and pushing pace as much as we can, but we're still elevated compared to our peer groups. - Eric Thomas Lipar(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Incentives and Pricing Strategy
It involves the company's approach to incentives and pricing, which directly impacts revenue and customer acquisition.
How do current incentives compare to those six months ago, and what are the upcoming strategic initiatives? - Andrew Azzi(JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division)
2025Q3: Incentives have been consistent, focused on older inventory. The market downturn has made lower rates more valuable. Gross margin guidance is consistent with Q3, reflecting stability in incentives. - Eric Lipar(CEO)
How do increased incentives and competitive pressures affect pricing strategy? - Michael Rehaut(JPMorgan)
2025Q1: Incentives are similar to last quarter, focusing on closing cost assistance and rate buydowns. The slower sales pace leads to more price discounts on older inventory. We are competitively pricing, but our communities are large, so we avoid steep discounts on newer inventory. - Eric Lipar(CEO)
Contradiction Point 3
Sales Efficiency and Demand
It involves differing perspectives on sales efficiency and demand conditions, which impact operational strategies and resource allocation.
What was the main factor behind the order acceleration, and is it a strategy shift to increase volume or an effort to clear old inventory? - Trevor Allinson(Wolfe Research, LLC)
2025Q3: The sales team has also improved with more hires and better training. - Eric Lipar(CEO)
Will you focus on expanding into new markets or concentrate on existing markets in 2025? - Jay McCanless(Wedbush)
2024Q4: Will we focus on expanding into new markets or concentrate on existing markets for community expansion in 2025? We'll focus on our current 35 markets, aiming to go deeper with community count, leveraging the existing infrastructure and leadership for efficiency. - Eric Lipar(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Land Development and Community Count
It involves the company's approach to land development and community growth, which impacts long-term expansion plans and financial projections.
Is there a desire to significantly reduce land holdings, and if so, what is the demand from other builders for additional land? - Trevor Allinson(Wolfe Research, LLC)
2025Q3: We have 13,000 finished vacant developed lots, but given the timing of development, we feel confident in the basis. Our development spend is decreasing, and we're focusing on absorptions. There is some excess land that may be monetized, with some activity expected in the future. - Charles Merdian(CFO)
What is the expected gross margin ramp-up, and how do you view the land model? - Kenneth Zener(Seaport Research Partners)
2025Q1: Land acquisitions are pacing with absorption expectations. Delays in community development due to longer timelines impact the model. - Charles Merdian(CFO)
Contradiction Point 5
Sales and Demand Trends
It involves the company's perception of sales and demand trends, which are crucial for strategic planning and investor expectations.
What was the primary driver of the order acceleration, and does it reflect a strategy shift toward higher volume or a push to clear old inventory? - Trevor Allinson(Wolfe Research, LLC)
2025Q3: This is more market-driven and affordability-driven, not a shift in strategy. Rates are important for entry-level buyers, and when rates went down, our sales went up. - Eric Lipar(CEO)
How broad is the lack of confidence in Q1 due to rate volatility? - Carl Reichardt(BTIG)
2025Q1: The biggest issue is affordability and qualifying, with strong demand despite challenges. Our current buyers are more attentive to market dynamics and the economy. - Eric Lipar(CEO)
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