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Date of Call: October 30, 2025
revenues were $465.4 million, down from $517 million in the previous year's third quarter. - The decline was due to headwinds in federal government business, but was partially offset by a 13.8% increase in revenues from commercial, state and local, and international clients.commercial energy sector increased by 24.3% year-on-year in Q3, contributing to a 28% share of total year-to-date revenues.This growth was driven by strong demand for utility client programs in energy efficiency, electrification, and grid resilience, aligned with increased electricity demand.
Federal Government Revenue Impact:
3% sequentially and 29.8% year-on-year in Q3.The decline was attributed to reduced contract funding, procurement delays, and a government shutdown, which impacted program and procurement activity.
International Client Revenue:
8% year-on-year in Q3.Overall Tone: Neutral
Contradiction Point 1
Government Shutdown Impact
It involves the impact of the government shutdown on revenue and procurement, which are critical factors affecting the company's financial outlook and strategic planning.
Did you expect the decline in your federal business for the fourth quarter? - Tim Mulroney(William Blair)
2025Q3: Absent the government shutdown, we expect that our fourth quarter federal revenues will be down more than what we had in the third quarter. If you include the government shutdown, it would be substantially more than the third quarter decline. - John Wasson(CEO)
Have you noticed any delays in the federal government converting awarded contracts to task orders? - Samuel Kusswurm(William Blair)
2025Q2: While new procurement has slowed, contract modifications and funding are normalizing. We haven't seen a significant drop-off once contracts are activated. - Barry M. Broadus(CFO)
Contradiction Point 2
Commercial Energy Growth and Demand
It highlights differing perspectives on the growth and demand within the commercial energy sector, which is crucial for the company's revenue projections and strategic focus.
Which of your service lines and offerings are seeing the strongest demand and fastest growth? Which areas are lagging? - Tobey Sommer(Truist Securities)
2025Q3: Our commercial energy business, especially designing and implementing utility programs, is seeing tremendous growth. Energy advisory services, particularly demand forecasting and grid modernization, are also robust. - John Wasson(CEO)
How much of the commercial energy growth is driven by data centers, and what are the forecasts for utility growth plans? - Unidentified Analyst(Truist)
2025Q2: While political uncertainty dampened growth in renewables, demand for other generation and transmission solutions and services remained strong. - John M. Wasson(CEO)
Contradiction Point 3
Impact of Government Shutdown on Federal Business
It highlights differing perspectives on the impact of a government shutdown on federal business, which is crucial for understanding the company's financial outlook.
Did you indicate how much your federal business will decline in the fourth quarter? - Tim Mulroney(William Blair)
2025Q3: We did not give a Q4 estimate for what the government business would be down. Absent the government shutdown, we expect that our fourth quarter federal revenues will be down more than what we had in the third quarter. If you include the government shutdown, it would be substantially more than the third quarter decline. - John Wasson(CEO)
Has the IT modernization business been affected by DOGE's IT contract review? - Tobey Sommer(Truist Securities)
2025Q1: We expect IT modernization to be down 5% to 10% for the year, primarily due to delays in new awards due to DOGE reviews. We haven't seen material cuts in our contracts. - John Wasson(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Commercial Energy Business Growth and Market Share
It reveals differing views on the growth and market share of the commercial energy business, which is a significant revenue driver for the company.
Can you describe the scale of the commercial energy business opportunity? - Kevin Steinke(Barrington Research)
2025Q3: The market is north of $2 billion, and we're strong in residential and commercial energy efficiency, possibly with a 10% to 15% market share. There’s material opportunity for both new business and takeaways. - John Wasson(CEO)
Does the annual guidance imply similar commercial energy metrics to this quarter? - Joseph Vafi(Canaccord Genuity)
2025Q1: Yes, it assumes commercial energy will continue to be the outstanding performer on the energy side. - John Wasson(CEO)
Contradiction Point 5
M&A Strategy and Valuations
It demonstrates differing perspectives on the M&A strategy and valuation expectations, which are critical for growth and financial planning.
What are you seeing in the acquisition pipeline volume potential? - Mark Riddick(Sidoti & Company)
2025Q3: M&A remains an important component. We're looking for opportunities in the energy arena for scale, geography, or capabilities. We're also looking at opportunities around disaster recovery and infrastructure. Valuations are fulsome in energy, and we're looking at federal IT modernization. - John Wasson(CEO)
Have acquisition multiples changed, especially for federal market targets? - Marc Riddick(Sidoti)
2025Q1: Federal market activity has slowed, but valuations in energy and other areas remain similar. We look at capabilities and cultural fit for potential acquisitions. - Barry Broadus(CFO)
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