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Date of Call: November 6, 2025
$20.6 million in revenue for Q3, reaching the high end of the guidance range and achieving a slight sequential increase. - The gross margin improved sequentially to 58.4% and exceeded the guidance range, driven by disciplined execution, improved operational efficiency, and an increased mix of higher-margin products.This growth was broad-based across geographies and products, benefiting from an uptick in demand for telemetry products and the success of new product introductions.
Capital Structure and Refinancing Progress:


Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
NIH Funding Impact on Sales Timing
It involves the impact of NIH funding on sales and the timing of when those sales are expected to occur, which is crucial for revenue forecasting and investor expectations.
What are you seeing in the academic and government markets? - Lucas Baranowski (KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division)
2025Q3: We have seen improvement, which is reflected in our Q3 results as well as in our strong backlog going into Q4. Now as we -- as Mark has stated regarding our guidance for the fourth quarter, some academic institutions are dependent upon NIH funding. And we have planned in our guidance depending upon how long the government shutdown goes and how that will flow through to our Q4 results. - John Duke(CEO)
Will NIH funding see a similar reprieve as in the first year of the Trump administration, and could the budget increase by 80 bps as the Senate committee proposes? - Paul Knight (KeyBanc)
2025Q2: There's a lot of different scenarios how things could unfold at NIH. We -- what we have seen is that the academic purchasing cycles have been extended, but the budgets remain in place. - John Duke(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Funding Visibility for Academic Institutions
It affects the clarity and predictability of sales cycles for academic institutions, impacting revenue forecasting and strategic planning.
Do customers have visibility into the funding for the projects? - Bruce Jackson (The Benchmark Company, LLC, Research Division)
2025Q3: Some customers have shared with us that there's no one even to talk to at the NIH right now. And so they're still trying to get visibility, whereas others do have visibility and they're just waiting for their funds to be released. - John Duke(CEO)
Regarding NIH, will there be a reprieve similar to the Trump administration's first year, and will the Senate committee's proposed 80-basis-point budget increase be realized? - Paul Knight (KeyBanc)
2025Q2: There's a lot of different scenarios how things could unfold at NIH. We -- what we have seen is that the academic purchasing cycles have been extended, but the budgets remain in place. - John Duke(CEO)
Contradiction Point 3
Growth in Preclinical Systems Sales
It involves differing explanations for the growth in preclinical systems sales, which is a significant revenue driver for the company.
What drove the preclinical systems growth this quarter—was it increased CRO study activity or another factor? - Lucas Baranowski (KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division)
2025Q3: We benefited from broad uptick in demand for our telemetry products, and it was not just in one region, it was across regions as well as across different customer groups. - John Duke(CEO)
What's driving the increase in preclinical systems—CROs, pharma, or a resurgence in domestic animal testing? - Paul Knight (KeyBanc)
2025Q1: We are beginning to see early signs of the growth we anticipated in our preclinical systems, driven by continued adoption of our telemetry products and the increased activity from CROs. - Jim Green(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Impact of Government Shutdown on Sales
It involves differing expectations regarding the impact of the government shutdown on sales, which could significantly affect the company's financial performance.
Have you observed early signs of improvement in the academic and government market? - Lucas Baranowski (KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division)
2025Q3: We have seen improvement, which is reflected in our Q3 results as well as in our strong backlog going into Q4. Now as we -- as Mark has stated regarding our guidance for the fourth quarter, some academic institutions are dependent upon NIH funding. And we have planned in our guidance depending upon how long the government shutdown goes and how that will flow through to our Q4 results. - John Duke(CEO)
How do you view the interactions between HHS, NIH funding, and market interest in the product? - Bruce Jackson (The Benchmark Company, LLC, Research Division)
2025Q1: So we have products that are either operating in or transitioning to our expanded product portfolio. They are expected to deliver improved performance and are anticipated to significantly offset the impact of the softened academic market and a very recent decline in CRO activity. - Jim Green(CEO)
Contradiction Point 5
NIH Funding Impact on Revenue
It involves the impact of NIH funding on company revenue, which is crucial for assessing financial performance and stability.
Are you seeing early signs of improvement in the academic and government markets? - Lucas Baranowski (KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division)
2025Q3: Now as we -- as Mark has stated regarding our guidance for the fourth quarter, some academic institutions are dependent upon NIH funding. And we have planned in our guidance depending upon how long the government shutdown goes and how that will flow through to our Q4 results. - John Duke(CEO)
What portion of revenue do MeshMEA and BTX represent, and what was their 4Q growth rate? - Paul Knight (KeyBanc)
2024Q4: Half of our business is academic research worldwide, with about 40% in the U.S. NIH accounts for around 30% of U.S. academic research revenue. There is some lack of visibility due to unknowns around NIH funding. - Jim Green(CEO)
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