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The challenges were due to Gulf Coast refiners maximizing runs of light crude oil, temporarily reducing demand for intermediate black oil. However, market conditions improved in September and October, setting the stage for a more in-line fourth quarter and potential growth in 2026.
Onshore Transportation and Services Segment Stability:
The stability was attributed to the anticipation of growing volumes from Shenandoah and Salamanca accessing onshore pipeline systems for distribution to refineries and downstream markets in Texas and Louisiana.
Capital Allocation and Debt Reduction:
Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Offshore Segment Growth and Margin Expectations
It involves differing expectations for offshore segment growth and margin potential, which are critical for understanding the company's growth strategy and financial outlook.
Given underutilized assets, what could offshore segment margin be with full utilization? Are you prepared to discuss this? - Wade Suki(Capital One Securities, Inc.)
2025Q3: Our existing installed and paid-for capacity can generate an incremental plus or minus $160 million a year of recognized segment margin if producers for Salamanca and Shenandoah come close to hitting their forecasts. We expect upside without spending any money at this point forward. - Grant Sims(CEO)
Can you confirm your confidence in the Salamanca timeline and whether any other variables could delay it? - Michael Jacob Blum(Wells Fargo)
2025Q2: We feel very good about the projected time line at initial production certainly by the end of the third quarter. There's no significant disruptive weather on the horizon. We feel very good about it. - Grant Sims(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Leverage Ratio and Financial Strategy
It reflects differing approaches and timelines for achieving the target leverage ratio, which impacts the company's financial stability and investor confidence.
Where is future growth capital likely to be allocated? Are there any significant larger projects on the horizon? - Wade Suki(Capital One Securities, Inc.)
2025Q3: We are very comfortable where we are, and we plan to keep our financial policy intact and our DCF-driven capital return policy. So we'll continue to return cash to our unitholders in the form of distributions and share buybacks. - Grant Sims(CEO)
Could you clarify the timeline for achieving the 4x leverage ratio? How will you balance shareholder returns with deleveraging and balance sheet improvements? - Elvira Scotto(RBC Capital Markets)
2025Q2: We'll probably get into a further discussion of '26 later in the year and certainly the first part of '26... Again driven primarily just as our range for the '25 is driven by the performance of these 2 significant incremental economic opportunities for us represented by Shen and Salamanca that we'll have more clarity as we go through the year and enter '26, so we can give you a more concise answer on that. - Grant Sims(CEO)
Contradiction Point 3
Offshore Segment Margin and Utilization
It involves differing expectations regarding the offshore segment margin and utilization, which directly impacts financial performance and investor expectations.
What do you think the offshore segment margin could be with full utilization, and are you prepared to discuss that? - Wade Suki (Capital One Securities, Inc., Research Division)
2025Q3: Our existing installed and paid-for capacity can generate an incremental plus or minus $160 million a year of recognized segment margin if producers for Salamanca and Shenandoah come close to hitting their forecasts. We expect upside without spending any money at this point forward. - Grant Sims(CEO)
Can you provide a segment margin forecast for the Offshore segment for this year or next year? - Wade Suki (Capital One)
2025Q1: We anticipate that the Offshore segment will contribute the majority of our annual EBITDA growth, with the Offshore Pipeline Transportation segment being the driver. - Grant Sims(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Distribution Adjustments and Capital Allocation
It involves changes in distribution strategy and capital allocation, which are critical for investor confidence and financial management.
Where might future growth capital be directed, given its current modest level? Are there any significant projects or larger-scale initiatives on the horizon? - Wade Suki (Capital One Securities, Inc., Research Division)
2025Q3: As a normal course of business, we view growth capital to be in the $10 million, $15 million range, which might include tanks or pumps at one or more of our offshore facilities and/or onshore facilities to support the operations of our existing footprint. We are focused on generating increasing amounts of free cash flow and simplifying the balance sheet capital structure, returning capital to our unitholders. - Grant Sims(CEO)
How do you allocate capital amidst current uncertainties, considering factors like repair timelines and the two major offshore projects' schedules? - Michael Blum (Wells Fargo)
2025Q1: We will likely maintain a flat distribution for Q2 but will have more visibility into the timing of the offshore projects and mechanical issue repairs by Q3, which could lead to distribution adjustments beyond Q3. - Ryan Sims(President and Chief Commercial Officer)
Contradiction Point 5
Offshore Production and Reserve Replacement
It involves differing views on the offshore business and the need for reserve replacement, which impacts the company's operational strategy and financial expectations.
Are the 11 additional wells per year needed to offset declines from Shenandoah and Salamanca? - Wade Suki (Capital One Securities, Inc., Research Division)
2025Q3: We view the offshore business as a self-regenerating annuity. If the producers replace the reserves regardless of where they come from, they move through our pipeline in any 1 year, it adds a year and annuitizes our ability without us spending any money, allowing us to repeat the financial performance year after year. - Grant Sims(CEO)
What is the range of potential outcomes for offshore producers' challenges in 2025? - Michael Blum (Wells Fargo)
2024Q4: We're baking the guidance with some producers' challenges, but we're not quantifying it. The issue isn't lasting all year. We're expecting some progress within the next few weeks. - Grant Sims(CEO)
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