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Date of Call: November 4, 2025

organic revenue growth of 10% for Q3 2025, with an operating income growth of 28%. - The significant revenue and profitability improvements were driven by strong contributions from all three operating segments, including Care Delivery, Value-Based Care, and Care Enablement.EUR 180 million, surpassing the original guide of EUR 100 million.The company announced an initial share buyback of EUR 1 billion, with 4.35 million shares repurchased by the end of September 2025.
High-Volume HDF Therapy Rollout:
The rollout of this advanced therapy is expected to become a new standard of care, enhancing patient outcomes and clinical efficiency.
Challenges and Strategic Focus:

Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Patient Inflow and Mortality Impact
It directly impacts the company's outlook for patient inflows and treatment growth, which are critical for revenue and operational planning.
Will treatment adherence normalize over time due to patient deaths or other factors? - Oliver Metzger (ODDO BHF Corporate & Markets)
2025Q3: I would say that mortality is still elevated. We are seeing improvements in missed treatments, but I wouldn't say that it is because we are seeing a normalization in mortality levels. We see it more because we have better alignment between our patient, our physician, our clinician. - Helen Giza(CEO)
What is driving patient inflow, and can growth exceed 2% by 2026? - Veronika Dubajova (Citigroup Inc.)
2025Q2: If mortality normalizes, the 2%+ growth assumption remains, though the rate of growth will depend on how mortality evolves in 2026. - Helen Giza(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Medicare Advantage Enrollment Trends
It involves differing perspectives on the impact of Medicare Advantage enrollment trends on the company's business, which is crucial for revenue projections and market positioning.
Can you confirm the phosphate binder benefit expected this year? How will Medicare Advantage trends impact your business? - Veronika Dubajova (Citigroup Inc.)
2025Q3: We are optimistic about steady Medicare Advantage enrollment despite some payer changes, as the mix remains consistent and enrollment numbers are stable. - Helen Giza(CEO)
What trends are you observing in U.S. trading in April? How does this support your confidence in maintaining full-year guidance of 50 bps or more growth? Did phosphate binders contribute to Q1 results, and do you still expect €50M–€100M operating income benefit for the year? - Victoria Lambert (Berenberg)
2025Q1: We are increasing our overall U.S. same-market treatment growth forecast to approximately 1% for 2025. - Martin Fischer(CFO)
Contradiction Point 3
Market Growth Expectations
It involves differences in the company's expectations for market growth and mortality normalization, which are critical for forecasting future performance and investor expectations.
2025Q3: We are concluding that trend is improving gradually. We have made significant progress in the U.S. with the new payment model. But we all agree there is still a ways to go. - Helen Giza(CEO)
What are your expectations for 2025 segment margins, particularly incremental improvements versus Care Enablement's remaining growth potential? What is the expected market growth and timeline for market share recovery in 2025? - Hassan Al-Wakeel (Barclays)
2024Q4: Market growth is expected to ramp up throughout the year, moving from 0.5% growth in Q4, with a view to 2% growth in 2026 as mortality normalizes. - Helen Giza(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Phosphate Binder Benefit Expectations
It involves changes in financial forecasts, specifically regarding the expected benefit from phosphate binders, which are a significant contributor to the company's pharma business.
Can you confirm the expected phosphate binder benefit this year? How do Medicare Advantage trends impact your business? - Veronika Dubajova (Citigroup Inc.)
2025Q3: The phosphate binder benefit is now expected to be EUR 180 million for the year. - Helen Giza(CEO)
What are your April U.S. trading trends so far? How does this support the full-year guidance of 50 bps or more growth? What were phosphate binders' Q1 results, and do you still anticipate the €50 million to €100 million operating income benefit for the full year? - Victoria Lambert (Berenberg)
2025Q1: We expect a full fiscal year effect of approximately EUR 50 million to 100 million. - Martin Fischer(CFO)
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