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Date of Call: November 11, 2025
total revenue of $7 million for Q3, with a decline of just $92,000 over the same quarter last year. - This stability was achieved due to increased activity in the verification and certification segment, which grew by 1% to $5.6 million, and strong customer retention rates above 90%.operating income was $575,000, compared to $608,000 in the year-ago third quarter, with net income growing to $1.1 million or $0.22 per share.These results were driven by careful management of fixed costs, lower marketing and trade show expenses, and a focus on aligning expenses with revenue run rates.
Balance Sheet Strength and Shareholder Returns:
cash and cash equivalents of $4.8 million at the end of Q3, with no debt.more than $14 million in value to shareholders through its stock buyback program since its inception, retiring over 1.3 million shares.Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Beef Herd Growth and Market Demand
It involves expectations regarding the growth of the beef herd and market demand, which are crucial for forecasting company revenue and strategic planning.
When do you expect to see a significant increase in product revenue as herd size grows? Are beef and cattle futures prices high enough to drive demand within a year or two? - James Ford (First Ballantine)
2025Q3: I do think that the cattle prices have started to reach the level where there is some building back in the herd, but we’re still faced with issues relative to primarily the border being closed with Mexico and that none of those cattle are able to come into Texas, Oklahoma. - John Saunders(CEO)
Can you provide an update on the beef market, including demand trends and supply chain developments? - Arak Kayam (Private Investor)
2025Q2: We are still much lower than the peak of 2017. And I think by the end of 2026, we’re probably going to be back very close to that peak we were in 2017. - John Saunders(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Company Growth Strategy
It addresses the company's growth strategy and its approach to capital allocation, which are important for investor understanding and expectations.
Are you positioning as a growth company or a stable cash-generating business? How do you balance past dividends, cash reserves, and capital allocation strategy? - Chris Brown (Private Investor)
2025Q3: We are absolutely a growth company. We’re a patient company, but we’re happy where we are with our balance sheet. We’re happy we have no debt. But we’ll be more than willing to use capital to grow if we see the right opportunity. - Jay Pfeiffer(Investor Relations)
Are there any plans to increase the dividend? - Arak Kayam (Private Investor)
2025Q2: We are not in a position to pay a dividend at this point because we have a lot of opportunities to invest in growth. - Dannette Boyd Henning(CFO)
Contradiction Point 3
Herd Size and Revenue Growth
It involves expectations regarding the growth of herd size and its impact on product revenue, which are critical for future financial performance and investor expectations.
When will product revenue see a significant increase as herd sizes grow? Are beef and cattle futures prices high enough to stimulate demand within the next one to two years? - James Ford (First Ballantine)
2025Q3: I do think that the cattle prices have started to reach the level where there is some building back in the herd, but we’re still faced with issues relative to primarily the border being closed with Mexico and that none of those cattle are able to come into Texas, Oklahoma. So that’s typically a big part of our beef supply. And with the screw worm issue, I think we’re just really struggling to see how it’s going to be a short-term solution to this problem. So yes, I think in certain areas we’re starting to see a build back, but it’s going to take a lot of time. - John Saunders(CEO)
Could you provide an overview of Q1 2025 financial performance? - John Saunders (Where Food Comes From)
2025Q1: The company experienced a 6% year-over-year decline in total revenue for the first quarter. The decline was mainly due to a drop in the verification and certification services segment, which saw $252,000 less revenue compared to the previous year. This was attributed to fewer cattle moving through the system because of cyclical herd size reduction and severe drought conditions in cattle-producing regions. - John Saunders(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Cattle Supply and Market Recovery
It involves expectations regarding the cattle supply and market recovery, which directly impact revenue forecasts and investor confidence.
When do you expect to see a significant increase in product revenue as herd size grows? Will beef and cattle futures prices be high enough to drive demand growth in the next 1-2 years? - James Ford (First Ballantine)
2025Q3: I do think that the cattle prices have started to reach the level where there is some building back in the herd, but we’re still faced with issues relative to primarily the border being closed with Mexico and that none of those cattle are able to come into Texas, Oklahoma. - John Saunders(CEO)
What are your assumptions for cattle on feed numbers and the slaughter schedule? - Vivek Arya (Bank of America Securities)
2024Q3: The border between Mexico and the United States continues to remain closed, which has historically been a major cattle supply source for the United States. - Danette Henning(CFO)
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