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Date of Call: November 12, 2025
system-wide sales of $238.2 million in Q3 with 20 basis points of same-store sales growth, compared to a decrease of 0.8% year-over-year.
35 to 40 closures for the year, narrowing down from an initial range of 40 to 60, reflecting timing shifts and progress made with franchisees.The strategic focus is on returning to net center growth by the end of 2026, with new center openings planned to outpace closures.
Profitability and Cost Management:
EBITDA increased by 9.6% to $20.2 million, with a margin increase of 400 basis points to 37.2%.This improvement was due to a focus on profitability, cost discipline, and operational efficiency, as well as favorable timing of operating expenses.
Marketing and Guest Engagement:
75% improvement in the efficiency of influencer content and a 53% lift in unique website visitors through new influencer strategies.
Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Guest Frequency and Engagement Strategies
It highlights a potential inconsistency in the company's strategy and results regarding improving guest frequency and engagement, which are crucial for business growth and profitability.
Can you quantify the lift from reengaging infrequent guests and how this will trend into 2026? - Joshua Young(Truist Securities, Inc., Research Division)
2025Q3: Our team had a relentless focus on enhancing our operational excellence and embedded marketing within our centers. And as a result, we have seen improved contactability with guests from 38% to 60%, which has led to an increase in guest frequency, especially for those guests who we had identified as downtrend. - Christopher Morris(CEO)
Can you provide details on the performance of different customer cohorts? - Scot Ciccarelli(Truist Securities, Inc.)
2025Q2: We're focused on identifying guest routines and tailoring engagement strategies for lower-frequency guests, showing early success in enhancing frequency among downtrend guests. - Christopher Morris(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Unit Closures and Growth Strategy
It addresses a potential inconsistency in the company's timeline and confidence regarding reducing unit closures and achieving net unit growth, impacting the company's growth strategy.
What are the current challenges with units that are closing, and what gives confidence that these pressures will ease by next year's second half? - Alexander Conway(Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division)
2025Q3: We expect to narrow the range of closures and are confident that we will achieve our target of net positive growth in new centers by the end of 2026. - Christopher Morris(CEO)
How should we think about the closure pace given improved ramps and marketing strategies? - Randal J. Konik(Jefferies LLC)
2025Q2: We want to be closer to the low end of the previous range for closures, supporting growth in 2026. We expect that by achieving net unit growth, we will continue to build momentum going into '27. - Christopher Morris(CEO)
Contradiction Point 3
Store Closure Projections
It involves changes in financial forecasts, specifically regarding gross margin expectations, which are critical indicators for investors.
How do you plan to handle center openings and closings going forward? - Dana Telsey(Telsey Advisory Group LLC)
2025Q3: We are tightening the range for store closures this year. We currently expect 35 to 40 closures. - Christopher Morris(CEO)
What are your expectations for store closures in 2025 and future growth? - Randal Konik(Jefferies)
2024Q4: We expect to close between 40 to 60 locations this year. - Christopher Morris(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Data and Brand Identity Challenges
It reflects differing perspectives on the company's strategies to improve new guest acquisition.
What is limiting new guest acquisition, and how are you addressing it? - Simeon Gutman(Morgan Stanley, Research Division)
2025Q3: We felt that we were not leveraging the data as effectively as we could to engage new guests. And so we have been working with a new data agency to bring in more data, better data analytics, better segmentation. - Christopher Morris(CEO)
What are the plans for promotional strategy and pricing? When is system-wide implementation scheduled? - Korinne Wolfmeyer(Piper Sandler)
2024Q4: We've been working over the last 9 months with a very data-driven marketing agency to improve our data analytics segmentation, bringing in new data sets. - Christopher Morris(CEO)
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