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Date of Call: November 7, 2025

$164 million for Q3 2025, compared to $176 million a year ago. - Year-to-date return on equity was 13% through the third quarter. - The company repurchased nearly 9 million shares for over $500 million year-to-date and approved a new $500 million share repurchase authorization through year-end 2027. - These actions were supported by the company's strong capital position and earnings performance, indicating confidence in returning capital to shareholders.* Mortgage Insurance In-Force and Persistency: - U.S. Mortgage Insurance in force increased to $249 billion, a 2% rise from the previous year. - Persistency rate remained flat at 86% from the previous quarter. - The stability in persistency and insurance in force was attributed to favorable credit trends and the current interest rate environment, which supports elevated persistency.2.29%, reflecting seasonal trends.$44.2 million, higher than the previous quarter.The credit quality of the insurance in force remained strong, with an average FICO score of 746, contributing to overall stability.
Capital and Cash Flow Position:
$6.6 billion, with an annualized investment yield of 3.9%. - The company's strong cash flow and balance sheet position, including $5.7 billion in GAAP equity, enabled continued returns to shareholders.
Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Default and Provision Trends
It involves the interpretation of default and provision trends, which are critical for understanding the financial health of the mortgage insurance business and potential future losses.
Can you provide details on the composition of new notices, including any geographic or vintage trends this quarter? - Terry Ma (Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division)
2025Q3: While loans default and provisions are higher, the overall default rate continues to be low at 0.21%. It's the third consecutive sub-0.3% quarter. - Mark Casale(CEO)
New defaults rose 9% year-over-year. Can you detail their composition and expectations? - Terry Ma (Barclays)
2025Q2: The 0.20% seasonal rate is consistent with the historical norms for March. - Mark Anthony Casale(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Severity Rates and Loss Impact
It involves the assessment of severity rates and their impact on losses, which are key factors for maintaining accurate financial forecasts and risk management strategies.
2025Q3: Severity rates are influenced by embedded home price appreciation and timing of defaults. While there may be fluctuations, the overall impact on losses is low. - Mark Casale(CEO)
How are you determining the sizing of cash flow to the holding company and buybacks? - Douglas Michael Harter (UBS)
2025Q2: Severity has been notably lower, and we believe early losses will be smaller than what was projected. Claims are paid from lower severity. - David Weinstock(CFO)
Contradiction Point 3
Incomes and Home Affordability
This contradiction concerns the company's stance on the affordability cycle and the role of incomes in relation to home prices and interest rates. It highlights differing expectations about the timing and factors that will influence affordability, which is crucial for the company's business model.
Can you break down the composition of new notices and highlight any notable geographic or vintage trends this quarter? - Terry Ma(Barclays)
2025Q3: The current situation is unprecedented, with low income growth and high home prices and rates affecting affordability. We are positioned well due to good unit economics in our insurance portfolio. We expect incomes to catch up before the market improves. - Mark Casale(CEO)
Are we nearing an inflection point where affordability for first-time homebuyers may improve? Are there specific regions where you're particularly optimistic or cautious? - Rick Shane(JPMorgan)
2025Q1: We are positioned well due to good unit economics in our insurance portfolio. We expect incomes to catch up before the market improves. - Mark Casale(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Impact of Tariffs on Pricing Strategy
This contradiction pertains to the company's approach to pricing adjustments in response to macroeconomic events such as tariffs. It shows a shift in the company's stance on whether to wait for clear catalysts before making pricing adjustments.
Will the high level of ceded premiums continue, or vary with transaction timing? - Bose George(Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc.)
2025Q3: We have raised pricing in certain markets, mainly for micro pricing elasticity. On a macro level, we're in a wait-and-see mode regarding tariffs. We price through the cycle, not based on short-term expectations. Significant events like tariffs or COVID can cause pricing changes. Currently, we're not seeing such an event. We remain vigilant but hold off on pricing adjustments until we see a clear catalyst. - Mark Casale(CEO)
How are you managing risk amid macroeconomic uncertainty and tariffs, including any pricing or underwriting adjustments? - Terry Ma(Barclays)
2025Q1: We price through the cycle, not based on short-term expectations. Significant events like tariffs or COVID can cause pricing changes. Currently, we're not seeing such an event. We remain vigilant but hold off on pricing adjustments until we see a clear catalyst. - Mark Casale(CEO)
Contradiction Point 5
Severity Rates and Default Rates
It involves the interpretation and expectations regarding severity rates and default rates, which are crucial for understanding the company's financial health and risk profile.
What is the long-term trend in severity rates, and is the rate approaching an asymptote or has room to increase further? - Richard Shane (JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division)
2025Q3: Severity rates are influenced by embedded home price appreciation and timing of defaults. While there may be fluctuations, the overall impact on losses is low. - Mark Casale(CEO)
Is the default rate excluding hurricanes approaching a steady increase despite year-over-year deceleration? - Terry Ma (Barclays)
2024Q4: Too early to call. Average age of the book has increased due to post-COVID conditions. Borrowers outstanding longer will likely lead to some defaults, but it's within expectations. - Mark Casale(CEO)
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