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Date of Call: November 13, 2025
organic net sales growth of 2.5% for Q4, with international markets delivering 6.9% growth, driven by both volume and price gains. - The domestic market showed improvement, with North American sales declining only 0.6% compared to the previous quarter. - The positive trends were attributed to improved consumption and market share performance in North America and successful innovation in international markets.
270 basis points in gross savings in fiscal 2025, with plans for 310 basis points in fiscal 2026, inclusive of tariff mitigation.Increased productivity savings were due to supply chain optimization efforts, which included reducing complexity and improving customer service.
Financial and Operational Challenges:
330 basis points in Q4 due to transitory headwinds, including inventory adjustments, increased trade promotions, and tariff pressures.
Overall Tone: Neutral
Contradiction Point 1
Sun Care Inventory and Promotional Activity
It addresses the promotional environment and inventory levels in the Sun Care category, which are crucial for sales strategy and financial performance.
How are you positioning the Sun and Skin category for next year, especially with increased promotions in Sun? What are current retail inventory levels in the category? Do you anticipate healthier category performance next year? What is the competitive landscape with new brands entering the market? Are there any new product innovations planned for next year? - Susan Anderson(Canaccord Genuity)
2025Q4: It was not a great season. It was very promotional from the start, as you rightly point out, with some competitors going very deep discounts every day across the set. And so it was, I would say, a higher-than-normal level of promotional intensity all year. - Rod Little(CEO)
What are the expectations for Sun Care replenishment and innovation in the coming year? - Susan Kay Anderson(Canaccord Genuity)
2025Q3: Sun Care is expected to end with mid-single-digit growth, driven by replenishment. Inventory levels are manageable. - Daniel J. Sullivan(COO)
Contradiction Point 2
Productivity and Gross Margin Expectations
It involves changes in financial forecasts, specifically regarding productivity and gross margin expectations, which are critical indicators for investors.
What is the North Star for the portfolio strategy? Is there intent to consider more M&A as asset values decline in the current environment? Where is the company trying to direct its strategic focus? - Nik Modi (RBC Capital Markets)
2025Q4: We've consistently been delivering 250 basis points of productivity efforts over the last few years. And as we look ahead to '26, we still believe that we will deliver at its core 260 basis points and with mitigation 310 basis points. - Francesca Weissman(CFO)
Can you quantify the tariff impact on raw materials, finished goods, and U.S.-to-Canada exports? Would you raise prices to offset these tariffs? - Lauren Lieberman (Barclays)
2025Q2: Gross margins for Q3 are expected around 75%, with full-year guidance in the mid-70s and operating margins in the mid-70s. - Dan Sullivan(COO)
Contradiction Point 3
Sun Care Market Outlook and Promotional Activity
It involves differing views on the promotional activity and market outlook for the Sun Care category, which impacts revenue projections and competitive positioning.
What are your expectations for the Sun and Skin category next year, considering increased promotions? Are inventory levels at retail healthier? How is the competitive landscape evolving with new brands entering the market? Do you have any new product innovations planned for next year? - Susan Anderson (Canancord Genuity)
2025Q4: As we look to 2026, more than 3/4 of our share gains in Sun Care are expected to come from share gains in North America, and particularly in the U.S. - Rod Little(CEO)
Can you elaborate on the organic sales growth in the second half and the confidence in the expected acceleration? - Peter Grom (UBS)
2025Q2: The confidence in the second half growth comes from a 3% to 4% sequential improvement, driven by transitory tailwinds like Easter shift and supply disruptions from last year. International markets are expected to grow 4.5% to 5% in the second half. U.S. Sun Care is expected to grow about 2% in consumption, and sequential improvement is anticipated in Sun Care. - Dan Sullivan(COO)
Contradiction Point 4
Sun Care's Growth and Market Dynamics
It highlights differing perspectives on Sun Care's growth trajectory and promotional intensity, which are crucial for investor expectations and strategic planning.
How are you positioning the Sun segment with increased promotions and what is your outlook for the Sun & Skin category next year? What are current retail inventory levels in the category? Do you anticipate the category will be healthier next year? How is the competitive landscape evolving with new brand entrants? Are there any upcoming product innovations planned for next year? - Susan Anderson(Canaccord Genuity)
2025Q4: We ended the year not wanting to take any of that drag into next year. So inventories are clean. We landed the year and as part of the Q4 thing we believe is transitory is just making sure we go into next year very clean with any inventory positions, any returns, accrual adjustments, that's all in line, and we're very clean as we go into next year. - Susan Anderson(Canaccord Genuity)
Can you discuss your Sun Care position as peak season approaches? - Dara Mohsenian(Morgan Stanley)
2025Q1: Look, I would say in the U.S., flat to slightly down. In the international markets, we grew in 6 out of the 7 markets we've reported on. And we did that with a net pricing decline in 4 of those 7 markets. And as we said, this is a category that we really have confidence in. - Daniel Sullivan(CFO)
Contradiction Point 5
Productivity and Gross Margin Expectations
It involves differing expectations regarding productivity and gross margin improvements, which are critical for financial performance and investor confidence.
Given the record-low productivity and below-expected gross margins this quarter, how will productivity gains offset these challenges, and can you clarify the pricing strategy in the back half versus North America's limited pricing to build confidence in gross margin recovery? - Christopher Carey(Wells Fargo Securities)
2025Q4: We have a second half-oriented plan here as it puts forward. I want you to know, like we've been through this at great levels of detail, and we're very confident in the profile we put forward. And some of what drives the gross margin delivery and the rate delivery is a higher expected sales growth in the second half of the year. - Rod Little(CEO)
Why is the Fem Care business weak, and will the spring resets stabilize it? - Katie Grafstein(Barclays)
2025Q1: We are -- we are achieving structural cost efficiencies, and we are achieving productivity benefits. We -- we do see some cost benefits in Q3 and Q4 as opposed to Q2, so that's right. - Rod Little(CEO)
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