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Date of Call: November 4, 2025

revenue for the third quarter of 2025 was $20.6 million, with HEPZATO contributing $19.3 million and CHEMOSAT contributing $1.3 million.HEPZATO revenue increasing from $10 million to $19.3 million.The growth was partially driven by increased treatment volume despite challenges like a 13% reduction in average revenue per kit due to 340B pricing issues.
Site Activation and Expansion:
25 REMS-certified treatment sites.26 to 28 active treating centers by the end of 2025 and aims for 40 centers by the end of 2026.The expansion was supported by increasing the U.S. sales force and focusing on building referral networks, despite seasonal factors and competitive clinical trials.
CHOPIN Trial Impact:
The increased flexibility in scheduling due to the combination of systemic therapy and liver-directed therapy is expected to facilitate patient treatment and enhance the product's value proposition.
Clinical Trial and R&D Update:
Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Site Activations and Expansion Strategy
It involves the company's strategy and expected timeline for expanding its site network, which directly impacts the potential patient base and revenue growth.
What is the expected timeline for site additions in 2026, and is the current addition rate indicative of future performance? - John Newman (Canaccord Genuity Corp., Research Division)
2025Q3: Site additions are likely to accelerate in the second half of 2026 with the expansion to 9 regions. We expect roughly a 40-60 split between the first half and second half, with more additions expected in the latter half. - Gerard Michel(CEO)
When will the eight centers in queue start treating patients? - Chase Knickerbocker (Craig-Hallum)
2024Q4: I expect most will come on board in the second half of the year as the expanded sales force hits the ground running. I anticipate three centers activating in the first two quarters and five in the back half of the year. - Gerard Michel(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
340B Program and Revenue Impact
It involves the expected impact of the 340B program on revenue and profitability, which is crucial for financial forecasting.
What is the impact of the NDRA program on profitability and revenue growth in 2026 and beyond? - RK(H.C. Wainwright)
2025Q3: NDRA participation will continue to reduce average revenue per kit, but we expect the discount to remain stable. Profitability-wise, we aim for gross margins of 85%-87% in 2026, with expectations for high 80% or above beyond. - Gerard Michel(CEO)
How much could sales volume grow under the NDRA program, and why is 340B appealing to hospitals? - John Lawrence Newman(Canaccord Genuity)
2025Q2: Half of the volume may take advantage of 340B discounts, reducing per kit value by 10% to 15%. While it's hard to quantify, more volume is expected. Hospitals now make a larger margin, making the product more attractive. - Gerard J. Michel(CEO)
Contradiction Point 3
European Expansion and Strategy
It involves differing expectations and focus on European market expansion, which impacts international growth strategies.
Can you update us on the European investigator-sponsored study with HEPZATO and checkpoint inhibitors? - Yale Jen (Laidlaw & Company Ltd., Research Division)
2025Q3: Europe is a strategic priority for now, with plans for deeper penetration. If we receive broad indications, we may consider expanding to markets with high liver involvement, like Japan. - Gerard Michel(CEO)
What are the revenue expectations for European expansion in 2025? - Yale Jen (Laidlaw)
2024Q4: We don't expect meaningful revenue from Germany this year, although we're starting the process there, too. We expect modest growth, with potential step changes when we get reimbursement, likely in the U.K. or The Netherlands. The strategic value lies in clinical trials and publications, not economic value. - Gerald Michel(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Off-Label Use and Trial Activity
It involves differing stances on off-label use and competitive clinical trial activity, which can impact market positioning and revenue expectations.
With more sales territories, how are you improving utilization in low-volume accounts? - Jake Soucheray (Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC, Research Division)
2025Q3: We have not seen meaningful off-label use yet, and centers have not started. While some centers are interested, we currently are only considering uveal melanoma. - Gerard Michel(CEO)
Are there significant off-label uses in other tumor types? - Bill Maurer (ClearStreet)
2024Q4: We have not seen meaningful off-label use yet, and centers have not started. While some centers are interested, we currently are only considering uveal melanoma. - Gerald Michel(CEO)
Contradiction Point 5
Site Activations and NDRA Program Impact
It involves expectations and progress regarding site activations under the NDRA program, which directly impacts revenue and market penetration.
What factors are considered in Q4 expectations related to competitive clinical trial activity and seasonality? - Marie Thibault(BTIG)
2025Q3: In Q4, we factored in a modest amount of seasonality due to the winter holidays, although exact impacts are difficult to predict. Regarding clinical trial competition, we assume the same level as mid-year, with the Replimune-sponsored trial and the Thomas Jefferson trials contributing to competition. - Gerard Michel(CEO)
What's the rationale for adjusting the year-end active sites target? - Sudan Naveen Loganathan(Stephens)
2025Q2: We are scaling intentionally, targeting world-class cancer centers. The pace of site activations should be about 1 to 1.5 per month for the rest of the year to reach 25 to 28 by the end. - Gerard J. Michel(CEO)
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