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Date of Call: Jan 14, 2026
Financial Performance and Compliance:
net sales of $472.6 million for Q3, up 3.5% year-over-year, and year-to-date consolidated net sales were $1.4 billion, an increase of 8.6% over the prior year.Segment Performance and Growth:
low single digits, with the Honey Pot brand achieving strong double-digit EBITDA growth, while BOA experienced a slight decline due to exiting a lower-value business in China.Operational and Strategic Adjustments:
Supply Chain and Macroeconomic Challenges:

Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Growth Outlook for the Branded Segment
Guidance for branded segment growth appears inconsistent between quarters.
How has the economy changed compared to the start of the year, and what factors are causing the growth slowdown? - Lawrence Solow (CJS Securities, Inc.)
2025Q3: The company expects organic growth and strong free cash flow in 2026. - [Elias Sabo](CEO)
What's driving growth in the branded segment for 2025, and is Lugano still the primary driver? - Lawrence Solow (CJS Securities)
2024Q4: the 2025 guidance is based on a more modest forecast. - [Elias Sabo](CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Financial Outlook for 5.11 Tactical
The characterization of 5.11's 2025 performance outlook shifts from positive to pressured.
Have there been any updates to the long-term organic revenue growth goals for subsidiaries? - Cristopher Kennedy (William Blair & Company L.L.C.)
2025Q3: 5.11 slightly pressured by tariffs. - [Elias Sabo](CEO)
Regarding 5.11, excluding the PFAS-related charge, what is the current business status and the 2025 outlook? - Lawrence Solow (CJS Securities)
2024Q4: 5.11 is performing well. Key initiatives for 2025 include... - [Patrick Maciariello](COO)
Contradiction Point 3
Leverage Appetite and Divestment Strategy
Contradiction on willingness to take on debt for acquisitions versus strict leverage control.
Are there any assets you would not consider selling at any price? - Lance Vitanza (TD Cowen)
2025Q3: The company is in divestment mode to shrink its balance sheet and reduce leverage... - [Elias Sabo](CEO)
Regarding M&A market comments, what is your leverage appetite at current levels, and are there plans to further improve leverage through divestitures? - Lawrence Solow (CJS Securities)
2024Q1: The company is comfortable increasing leverage temporarily to fund acquisitions... - [Elias Sabo](CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Outlook for The Honey Pot's Performance
Contradiction on the growth trajectory and drivers for The Honey Pot.
How has the Honey Pot's performance compared to internal expectations, and what are the drivers of any outperformance? - Lance Vitanza (TD Cowen)
2025Q3: The Honey Pot is significantly outperforming expectations. - [Elias Sabo](CEO)
What are The Honey Pot Company's growth drivers and shelf space gains? - Matt Koranda (ROTH MKM)
2024Q1: Gains are occurring with major box retailers... and the company is excited about the product pipeline for 2025-2026. - [Patrick Maciariello](COO)
Contradiction Point 5
Leverage Targets and Deleveraging Strategy
Conflicting signals on willingness to exceed 4.5x leverage and reliance on asset sales.
Can you attain the 4.5x leverage covenant by mid-2026 organically this year? - Matt Koranda (ROTH Capital Partners, LLC)
2025Q3: There is an incentive to get below 4.5x; if not, a payment is triggered.... A path to organic deleveraging exists, but it would be 'tighter than we would like,' which is why pursuing an asset sale is also a priority... - [Stephen Keller](CFO)
Given current leverage around 4x, can the company acquire larger assets? Would the company consider exceeding 5x leverage or selling smaller subsidiaries? - Lawrence Solow (CJS Securities)
2023Q4: The company could consider deals that push leverage into the 4x range (like The Honey Pot) but would not go to 5x. Leverage is expected to decline back into the 3.5x target range post-acquisition due to strong cash flow and growth. - [Elias Sabo](CEO)
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