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Date of Call: Jan 23, 2026
Revenue and AUM Growth:
revenue of $143.8 million for Q4, up 2% sequentially, and $554 million for the full year 2025, up 6.9% year-on-year. Ending AUM was $90.5 billion.Net Inflows and Pipeline:
net inflows of $1.2 billion in Q4, marking the fifth consecutive quarter with net inflows. The one-but-unfunded pipeline reached $1.72 billion.Compensation and Expense Management:
compensation ratio of 39% for Q4 and 40% for the full year, slightly below the guidance of 40.5%.Investment Performance and Outlook:
30% and global listed infrastructure at 14%. The nontraded REIT, CNS REIT, achieved a 10.3% annualized return since its inception.
Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Institutional Pipeline Composition and Growth Outlook
Contradiction on the strength and nature of the institutional pipeline.
What's the recent progress in the institutional channel, how does it compare to a year ago, and where do you see it heading? - Rodrigo Ferreira (BofA Securities)
2025Q4: The Institutional pipeline has strengthened and broadened over the past two quarters, with more mandates, global allocators, and strategies. - Joseph Harvey(CEO)
What is the geographic client-type profile of investors providing capital, and are there other investment areas besides U.S. REITs where investors are focusing? - John Dunn (Evercore ISI Institutional Equities)
2025Q3: The institutional pipeline is predominantly from North America... The pipeline includes strategic allocation changes, wins from underperforming peer managers, and new allocations across real estate and infrastructure. - Joseph Harvey(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Institutional Client Geographical Demand
Contradiction on the geographical expansion and diversification of institutional demand.
Are there any pockets of demand globally for institutional advisory and subadvisory services? - John Dunn (Evercore ISI)
2025Q4: Geographic demand for institutional advisory is expanding beyond the U.S. Allocators are diversifying away from U.S.-centric portfolios. Recent institutional wins include mandates from Belgium, Canada, Japan, the Philippines, and the U.K. - Joseph Harvey(CEO)
Could you provide a geographic client profile and specify sectors or regions beyond U.S. REITs where investors are allocating capital? - John Dunn (Evercore ISI Institutional Equities)
2025Q3: The institutional pipeline is predominantly from North America... An example of a non-U.S. allocation is a European institution... - Joseph Harvey(CEO)
Contradiction Point 3
Demand Drivers for Global Real Estate Strategies
Different explanations for strong global real estate flows between quarters.
What dynamics in global real estate could turn it into a tailwind? - John Dunn (Evercore ISI)
2025Q4: Two key dynamics could boost global real estate demand: 1) Reacceleration of interest from global institutions... 2) Shift in U.S. investor behavior as international real estate underperformance relative to the U.S. ends. - John Cheigh(President & Chief Investment Officer)
Were the stronger global real estate flows in Q2 driven by U.S. or international investors, and have you observed any shift away from U.S. real estate after the liberation date? - Rodrigo Ferreira (BofA Securities)
2025Q2: Flows into global strategies have been stronger partly due to international components underperforming relative to U.S. markets, creating an 'American exceptionalism' dynamic. - Joseph Martin Harvey(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Gross Sales Performance and Seasonality in Wealth Management
Contradiction on recent gross sales trend and its seasonality.
Are you seeing improved demand for private real estate and could it become a significant contributor in 2026? - John Dunn (Evercore ISI)
2025Q4: Gross sales in Q2 were about 10% lower recently but there is some seasonality, with a dip in Q2 over the past 3-4 years. - Joseph Martin Harvey(CEO)
Could you provide an update on the wealth management channel's current state, including the appetite for gross sales and which strategies are favored or less favored? Additionally, do you anticipate any seasonal trends affecting the next six months? - John Dunn (Evercore ISI)
2025Q4: Early signs of improving interest in private real estate are emerging... The company's nontraded REIT is well-positioned... to capitalize on this potential transition. - Joseph Harvey(CEO & Director)
Contradiction Point 5
Institutional Unfunded Pipeline Dynamics
Contradiction on the cause and nature of changes in the institutional unfunded pipeline.
Has the amount you're winning and funding intra-quarter from the unfunded pipeline been increasing, and what dynamics are driving this trend? - Rodrigo Ferreira (BofA Securities)
2025Q4: The increase in intra-quarter funding is consistent with the broader positive business dynamic but is not unique to recent quarters. It reflects the overall improved flow environment rather than a specific new trend. - Joseph Harvey(CEO)
Is the low institutional unfunded pipeline this quarter an anomaly, or has a similar level been observed before? - John Dunn (Evercore ISI)
2025Q1: The low pipeline ($61M vs. $531M last quarter) is attributed to completed fundings and timing of final client decisions. - Joseph Harvey(CEO)
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