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Date of Call: October 30, 2025
$69.7 billion in revenue for Q3, with strong performance in the U.S. employer business and International Health.The segment's medical care ratio was at 84.8%, reflecting strategic investments and targeted customer growth initiatives, such as an 8% increase in the under 500 Select segment.
Specialty & Care Services Growth:
11% adjusted earnings growth in Q3, with strong volume growth in prescriptions and a shift towards biosimilars, particularly for HUMIRA and STELARA.This growth was driven by increased utilization of drugs for inflammatory conditions and rare diseases, supported by strategic investments, such as the acquisition of Shields Health Solutions.
Capital Management and Financial Outlook:
Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Rebate-Free Model and Earnings Contributions
It involves the impact of the new rebate-free model on earnings contributions, which is crucial for understanding the financial outlook of the company.
How does the rebate-free model affect the long-term margin profile for PBM? - Erin Wright (Morgan Stanley)
2025Q3: Long-term, the new model's earnings contributions are expected to be comparable to existing solutions. - Brian Evanko(COO)
How is Cigna leveraging its PBM and pharmacy services business insights to position itself in the commercial market, particularly in ASO insurance, and how does this advantage translate into market outcomes? - Albert J. William Rice (UBS Investment Bank, Research Division)
2025Q2: We expect our pharmacy benefit service income to be in the high single-digit range as we continue to leverage our integrated capabilities to manage out total cost of care. - Brian Evanko(COO)
Contradiction Point 2
PBM Investment Spending
It involves the extent and duration of investment spending in the PBM business, which affects financial projections and strategic planning.
How should PBM business investment spending be interpreted over the next two years? - Kevin Fischbeck (BofA Securities)
2025Q3: Investment spending will stabilize in 2027, not a year-over-year drag from 2026. - Brian Evanko(COO)
How is Cigna leveraging its PBM and pharmacy services business insights to position itself in the commercial market, especially regarding ASO insurance, and how does this advantage manifest in the market? - Albert J. William Rice (UBS Investment Bank, Research Division)
2025Q2: We will see this year in 2025, some of the investments, but really most in 2026 and then we will see that transitioned into 2027. - Brian Evanko(COO)
Contradiction Point 3
PBM Revenue and Growth Expectations
It involves changes in financial forecasts and strategic directions, particularly regarding the Pharmacy Benefit Services segment, which has significant implications for investor expectations and company performance.
What is the magnitude of the 2026 Pharmacy Benefit Services decline, and how does investment spending affect 2027? - Justin Lake (Wolfe Research, LLC)
2025Q3: About a 2% decline in Evernorth segment income due to large client extensions and investment spending. The spending will continue into 2027, but it won't be a year-over-year drag. The long-term earnings profile remains comparable to current levels. - Brian Evanko(COO)
How is Cigna leveraging opportunities to negotiate prices with large GLP-1 players, and what is the coverage from an employer and ASO perspective? What are your thoughts on the Arkansas legislation? - Lisa Gill (JPMorgan)
2025Q1: Our Evernorth segment delivered strong results, with revenue up 4.2%. This growth was driven by continued momentum in the PBM business. - Brian Evanko(COO)
Contradiction Point 4
Employer Engagement and Model Transition
It reflects differing perspectives on the engagement and transition with employers regarding the new rebate-free model, which could impact the company's ability to successfully implement its strategic changes.
Did Express Scripts have rebate guarantees? How will the rebate-free model affect renewal pricing and Evernorth's long-term growth rate? - Lisa Gill (JPMorgan Chase & Co)
2025Q3: Employers may transition over time, but the new model aligns with market trends and regulatory priorities, which could drive broader adoption. - David Cordani(CEO)
How are clients addressing benefit design and affordability this selling season, and is there an impact on select market growth? - A.J. Rice (UBS)
2025Q1: Discussions are active, with affordability and precision in solutions high on the agenda. Employers seek control over unit costs. - Brian Evanko(COO)
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