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Date of Call: Jan 23, 2026
Strong Financial Performance and Dividend Increase:
$130.1 million for the full year 2025, with revenue of $446 million, up 9.7% year-over-year.20% increase in its quarterly dividend, reflecting strong financial performance and confidence in continued top-quartile results.Loan and Deposit Growth:
$7.5 billion at year-end, with year-on-year loan growth of 8.9%, and deposits grew by 2.5%.Net Interest Income and Margin Expansion:
$101 million was reported in Q4, with a net interest margin of 4.35%, up eight basis points linked quarter.Capital Strength and Share Repurchase:
12.33% and TCE to TA ratio at 11.29%.346,000 shares and has a new authorization to buy back up to 5% of outstanding shares.Credit Quality and Provisioning:
$9.7 million, with net charge-offs decreasing to $6.7 million, and the allowance for credit losses increased to 1.45% of total loans.
Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Commercial Payments Business Timeline
Expectations for when the business will materially impact results have shifted, impacting strategic planning and investor outlook.
What are the commercial payment clients and the business's medium-term objectives? - Terry McEvoy (Stephens)
2025Q4: Initial clients are payroll processors... The goal is not a shotgun approach. - Alberto Paracchini(CEO)
Can you provide an overview of the commercial payments team's current status and future expectations? - Brian Martin (Janney Montgomery Scott)
2025Q3: The bank expects to start seeing the impact of this business in 2026 and beyond. - Alberto Paracchini(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Government Shutdown Impact on SBA Business
Characterization of the shutdown's effect moved from a clear, material timing issue to a minor, immaterial impact, affecting financial reporting clarity.
Did the government shutdown affect SBA operations in Q4? - Terry McEvoy (Stephens)
2025Q4: It had a slightly material impact, but it was immaterial to the overall revenue. - Alberto Paracchini(CEO)
How has the government shutdown impacted your SBA business so far, and is there an upcoming deadline that could materially affect your Q4 gains? - Adam Kroll (Piper Sandler)
2025Q3: The primary impact is a timing issue for gain-on-sale income... This results in earned interest income being carried on the balance sheet during the shutdown. - Alberto Paracchini(CEO)
Contradiction Point 3
M&A Strategy and Capital Allocation Priority
Shift in stated priority for using excess capital between M&A and shareholder returns, altering perceived capital management strategy.
How are you thinking about capital returns to shareholders and the M&A environment given the absence of the 8%-9% TCE target in recent presentations? - Nathan Race (Piper Sandler)
2025Q4: The company carries extra capital for flexibility to pursue M&A opportunities quickly. When they have excess capital with no immediate use, they return it to shareholders... The capital priorities are: 1) supporting business growth, 2) maintaining a sustainable and growing dividend, 3) having flexibility for M&A. - Alberto Paracchini(CEO)
Given the recent rise in industry M&A activity, how are you currently assessing M&A opportunities and allocating excess capital (e.g., buybacks)? - Nathan Race (Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division)
2025Q2: M&A chatter has existed... Conversations continue, but are transaction-dependent, with challenges for sellers... The company follows a capital hierarchy: 1) supporting organic/inorganic growth, 2) sustaining a dividend, 3) share repurchases. Current capital position offers flexibility, with all options on the table. - Alberto Paracchini(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Net Interest Margin (NII) Outlook and Stability
Contradiction on the expected trajectory and drivers of the net interest margin, affecting financial stability expectations.
How does reducing the balance sheet's asset sensitivity impact the margin in the context of potential Fed rate cuts? - Damon DelMonte (KBW)
2025Q4: The goal is to add more floating-rate liabilities... The margin was impacted by selling securities to stay below $10 billion in Q4, which they expect to buy back in Q1. ...they aim for stable NII growth. - Tom Bell(CFO) and Alberto Paracchini(CEO)
What is your ability to lower interest-bearing deposit costs, particularly CDs, given sub-4% yields last quarter and potential room for further reductions in the second half? - Terence McEvoy (Stephens Inc., Research Division)
2025Q2: There is some room to lower CD costs, but limited unless the Fed cuts rates. The bank benefits from a short-duration CD book... Deposit costs are expected to be flat to down slightly, assuming no Fed rate cuts. - Tom Bell(CFO) & Alberto Paracchini(CEO)
Contradiction Point 5
Net Interest Income (NII) Outlook and Impact of Rate Cuts
Inconsistent view on whether NII guidance incorporates expected Fed rate cuts, affecting financial forecasting reliability.
Does Q1 typically have a seasonally low NII that steadily increases throughout the year? - Damon DelMonte (KBW)
2025Q4: NII is generally stable to growing throughout the year, though Q1 has fewer days and lower loan fees... due to asset sensitivity, it takes about a quarter to catch up to rate cuts... - Tom Bell(CFO), Alberto Paracchini(CEO)
Does Q2 expense and NII guidance include First Security acquisition impact? - Nathan Race (Piper Sandler)
2025Q1: The Q2 guidance for net interest income ($87M-$89M) and expenses does not include the impact of the First Security acquisition. - Thomas J. Bell(CFO)
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