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1.22 times, after averaging close to 1.15 times for the quarter, marking a significant increase from the previous quarter.The rise in leverage was driven by an acceleration in deal activity, with a 63% year-over-year increase in M&A activity, leading to more borrowings and higher debt levels.
Spreads and Yield:
10%, down from 10.2% the previous quarter.Despite falling base rates, new deals were secured at an average spread of 544 basis points over the base rate, reflecting the perceived value of private credit solutions despite competitive pressures.
Portfolio Performance and Credit Quality:
0.1% at cost, indicating strong credit quality.This stability and low default rates were attributed to the company's focus on first-lien senior secured loans with larger, well-capitalized sponsor-backed companies.
Dividend and Earnings:
$0.77 per share was covered by net investment income, reflecting a 106% coverage ratio.91% of total investment income.
Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Dividend Sustainability and Spreads
It involves changes in the company's stance on the sustainability of dividends and expectations regarding portfolio spreads, which are critical for investor decision-making.
How is the dividend outlook affected by falling base rates and refinancing fixed-rate debt? - Doug Harder (UBS)
2025Q3: We are in a good spot, cost and expense advantage over peers. With more M&A activity, we see opportunities. We'll be thoughtful about any changes to the base dividend rather than rushing into them. Currently, 99% of the portfolio is floating rate, which helps. - Jonathan Bock(CEO)
Is the dividend sustainable and will you proactively adjust it if needed? How realistic is a rise in portfolio spreads with increased activity? - Robert James Dodd (Raymond James)
2025Q2: Our dividend is about 15% higher than the average BDC. We look at long-term signals, not short-term drivers. Base rates are expected to come down, which could potentially signal a change in the long-term dividend. We are underlevered, have surplus capital, and fees will increase with deal activity, which we factor into our dividend decision. - Brad Marshall(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Loan-to-Value (LTV) Changes
It involves changes in the company's explanation of Loan-to-Value (LTV) adjustments, which are crucial for understanding the company's financial health and risk management.
Is the increase in LTV due to portfolio-wide adjustments in multiples or concentrated in larger assets? - Robert Dodd (Raymond James)
2025Q3: It's not an event that concerns us. LTV adjustments reflect original Purchase Price. It's not a story, given the subordination remains below our debt positions. - Jonathan Bock(CEO)
Should investors be concerned about the trend in net investment losses? Can you provide an update on the Medallia loan? - Casey Jay Alexander (Compass Point)
2025Q2: Loan-to-values on new deals were about 45%. The marginal increase in LTV is largely due to enterprise values getting adjusted slightly lower, which is an equity consideration. The companies are growing, and interest coverage is improving. - Jonathan Bock(CEO)
Contradiction Point 3
Dividend Policy and Financial Management
It involves the company's approach to managing dividends and financial strategies, which are crucial for investor confidence and financial health.
How will refinancing fixed-rate debt and falling base rates affect the dividend outlook? - Doug Harder(UBS)
2025Q3: We are in a good spot, cost and expense advantage over peers. With more M&A activity, we see opportunities. We'll be thoughtful about any changes to the base dividend rather than rushing into them. - Jonathan Bock(CEO)
If SOFR curves put you below the dividend level, what's your policy on spillover - will you use it or adjust the base dividend as needed? - Finian O'Shea(Wells Fargo Securities)
2025Q1: Since rates peaked last year, we've seen three cuts of 100 basis points. If rates keep declining, earnings will come down. We manage this by increasing turnover, lowering expenses, and avoiding riskier assets. Despite challenges, our dividends remain at 11.2%. - Brad Marshall(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Leverage and Loan-to-Value Adjustments
It involves differing explanations for changes in leverage and loan-to-value ratios, which are important indicators of portfolio risk and asset quality.
Is the record-high LTV due to portfolio-wide multiple adjustments or concentrated in larger assets? - Robert Dodd(Raymond James)
2025Q3: LTV adjustments reflect original Purchase Price. It's not an event that concerns us. LTV adjustments reflect original Purchase Price. - Jonathan Bock(CEO)
Will the company shift toward the core middle market, and if so, what capabilities of the Blackstone credit platform can pursue these opportunities? - Kenneth Lee(RBC Capital Markets)
2024Q4: Loan-to-values on new deals were about 45%. The marginal increase in LTV is largely due to enterprise values getting adjusted slightly lower, which is an equity consideration. - Jonathan Bock(CEO)
Contradiction Point 5
Spread Stability and Repricing Concerns
It involves differing perspectives on the stability of spreads in new deals and the potential for repricing, which impacts investor expectations and portfolio risk assessment.
Can you explain why you retained Squarespace? The small junior allocation suggests a potential floor—should we expect more junior follow in a delayed draw? - Finian Patrick O’Shea(Wells Fargo Securities)
2025Q3: Spreads on new deals remain relatively stable. We saw spreads increase slightly quarter over quarter. We have tools like first outs, but overall, spreads have been flat over the last three to four quarters. - Jonathan Bock(CEO)
Of the $1.4 billion in new originations, what percentage comes from existing Blackstone relationships versus new merchandise? - Casey Alexander(Compass Point)
2024Q4: The new spreads are coming in higher than the previous quarter, but you can see the middle market rates have also come in higher this quarter. - Teddy Desloge(CFO)
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