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Date of Call: Jan 15, 2026
Record Financial Performance and Growth:
revenue of $24 billion for the full year 2025, up 19% year-over-year, and operating income of $9.6 billion, up 18%.Organic Base Fee Growth:
9% organic base fee growth for the full year 2025, with a notable 12% growth in the fourth quarter.Technology and Data Services Expansion:
24% year-over-year, with annual contract value (ACV) rising by 31%, of which 16% was organic.Shareholder Returns and Dividend Growth:
$5 billion to shareholders in 2025 through dividends and share repurchases, and announced a 10% increase in the 2026 dividend per share.Strong Earnings and Margin Performance:
$48.09, a 10% increase from the previous year, with a fourth-quarter EPS of $13.16, up 10% year-over-year.
Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Outlook and Tone on Private Credit Credit Trends
Contradiction in assessment of credit environment and default trends.
What were the HPS flows in the quarter, and how is the outlook for growth influenced by recent private credit developments? - Daniel Fannon (Jefferies LLC)
2025Q4: Default rates are rising but remain in historical ranges (slightly below 3% long-term average). Nonaccruals and recovery rates are also in line with history. - Martin Small(CFO)
What credit trends are the HPS team observing in their direct lending portfolios in Q3, and how do lower rates and tighter spreads impact the asset class's growth? - Alexander Blostein (Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.)
2025Q3: Reported bankruptcies in private credit are in syndicated bank loan/CLO markets, not large private credit direct lending books... Teams are being vigilant but are not seeing widespread credit stress. - Martin Small(CFO)
Contradiction Point 2
Expectations for Private Markets Flows in HPS
Contradiction in describing the nature and predictability of private credit flows.
What were the HPS flows in the quarter, and how do you view the growth outlook considering recent private credit headlines? - Daniel Fannon (Jefferies LLC)
2025Q4: HPS deployed $25B in 2025, with $7B in private credit net inflows in Q4 (primarily deployment). Credit conditions are generally stable. - Martin Small(CFO)
Are the recent increases in private markets flows, similar to those after the GIP acquisition, indicative of a sustainable run rate for the next several quarters, or were there unusual factors this quarter? - Benjamin Budish (Barclays Bank PLC)
2025Q3: Private credit flows (e.g., from HLEND, junior capital strategies) are more regular, while infrastructure flows are more episodic due to large transactions/realizations. - Martin Small(CFO)
Contradiction Point 3
Capital Return Strategy and Payout Ratio
Guidance on dividend policy and capital allocation appears inconsistent.
How will the 45% operating margin (excluding performance fees) progress in 2026 under normal market conditions, and what are the specifics around G&A? - Alexander Blostein (Goldman Sachs)
2025Q4: The dividend payout ratio is targeted between 40%-50%... Future dividend growth is expected to be at high single to low double-digit rates. - Martin Small(CFO)
Given recent transaction consolidation and a cautious M&A outlook, how do you plan to balance capital returns through dividends and buybacks? - William Raymond Katz (TD Cowen)
2025Q2: The dividend has grown at a CAGR of over 15% since 2003. The average dividend payout ratio over the last 5 years has been 50% of GAAP net income. - Martin Small(CFO)
Contradiction Point 4
Long-Term Operating Margin Trajectory
The target for recurring fee margin progression is presented differently.
How will the 45% operating margin (excluding performance fees) progress in 2026 under normal market conditions, and what are the specifics around G&A? - Alexander Blostein (Goldman Sachs)
2025Q4: Long-term margin trajectory aims north of 50% for fee-recurring earnings. - Martin Small(CFO)
How do you expect the impact of acquisitions fully integrating to affect adjusted operating margin and business scaling in the back half? - Alexander Blostein (Goldman Sachs)
2025Q2: The strategy targets 45% or greater margins over the cycle. - Martin Small(CFO)
Contradiction Point 5
Outlook for Money Market and Bond Flows
Contradiction on investor behavior and liquidity movement with changing interest rates.
Looking ahead to 2026, what are your expectations for the net flow pipeline? With the Fed cutting rates, do you anticipate flow reversals in your money market business, and if so, where might that liquidity go? - Craig Siegenthaler (BofA Securities)
2025Q4: Money market yields may fall with rate cuts, prompting investors to move up the curve to intermediate-term bonds. - Martin Small(CFO)
What shifts in retail and institutional allocations are clients anticipating, and how are they making decisions? - Michael Cyprys (Morgan Stanley)
2025Q1: Elevated cash inflows ($20 billion in April) indicate a shift towards fixed income and cash as yield curves steepen. - Laurence Fink(CEO)
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