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Date of Call: October 31, 2025
$48 million gain from the sale of a portion of the Lexford portfolio, with the investment generating over $100 million in income over its lifespan.The resolution of legacy assets is aimed at improving earnings and without significantly impacting book value.
Interest Income and Run Rate Fluctuation:
$34 million in Q3 due to reversals of accrued interest and modifications, resulting in a $16 million reduction in run rate going forward.The company is taking aggressive steps to resolve troubled loans and stabilize its earnings.
Borrower defaults and Delinquencies:
$750 million at September 30 from $529 million at June 30.This reflects the current stage of the cycle and the need for quick resolution to manage these delinquencies.
** Origination Performance and Strategic Growth:**
$2 billion in loans in Q3, surpassing the previous quarter's record, and achieved $2 billion in loan sales.Overall Tone: Positive
Contradiction Point 1
Stability of Performing Loans and Loan Modifications
It involves differing statements about the stability of performing loans and the approach to loan modifications, which impacts the company's financial outlook and operational strategies.
What is the estimated stability of performing loans, and how many additional loan mods are projected for the next few quarters? - Steven Delaney (Citizens JMP Securities, LLC, Research Division)
2025Q3: Loans performing are generally stable. - Ivan Kaufman(CEO)
Could you comment on credit trends in the GSE portfolio? - Richard Shane (JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division)
2025Q2: We are at the peak of delinquency, but we think we are at the bottom of the cycle. - Ivan Kaufman(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Interest Income and Expense
It involves differing statements about the impact of interest income and expense on the company's financial performance, which is crucial for investor expectations.
How should we view the $18 million accrued interest reversal and the interest income run rate? Were there any one-time items in Q3 interest expense? - Jade Rahmani (Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division)
2025Q3: The $18 million reversal is a one-time adjustment. The ongoing impact will be a $4 million reduction due to lowered interest on modified loans. - Paul Elenio(CFO)
Why did net interest income decrease from $75 million in Q1 to $69 million in Q2? - Steven Cole Delaney (Citizens JMP)
2025Q2: We accrued net new paying accruals of about $10 million, but we reversed $5 million related to loans that were foreclosed on. - Paul Elenio(CFO)
Contradiction Point 3
Occupancy Recovery and Market Conditions
It involves differing statements about the company's outlook on occupancy recovery and market conditions, which are key factors in understanding the company's operational performance and growth potential.
Are you confident Q3 was the trough for NII, considering one-time charges? - Crispin Love(Piper Sandler)
2025Q3: We're seeing occupancy firm up, and economic challenges have been addressed. Many markets have bottomed out due to COVID-related issues. With better management and repositioning, we expect continued recovery. - Ivan Kaufman(CEO)
What were the key issues with the 2022-2023 vintage bridge loans, and how are you addressing them in 2025? - Steve Delaney(Citizens JMP Securities)
2025Q1: We're experiencing occupancy recovery, which is natural, and we're getting our arms around this. Occupancy is continuing to recover, and we're aggressively managing this. - Ivan Kaufman(CEO)
Contradiction Point 4
Capital Expenditure
It involves differing statements about the expected capital expenditure for the company's portfolio, which impacts its operational costs and financial planning.
What caused the decrease in REO property income and expenses? - Richard Shane (JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division)
2025Q3: When we take back REOs, we're improving them to increase occupancy. This process initially causes a decline in NOI. - Ivan Kaufman(CEO)
What capital expenditures are expected for the portfolio over the next 6–12 months? - Richard Barry Shane (JPMorgan)
2025Q2: We have budgeted for $25 million to $50 million in total over time, with most recent assets requiring minimal capital. - Ivan Kaufman(CEO)
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