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Date of Call: October 31, 2025
earnings per share of $1.62 for Q3, driven by growth in proprietary drug delivery systems for central nervous system therapeutics, asthma, and COPD treatments.7% and injectables by 6% in the first 9 months of the year.The growth was supported by increased demand for elastomeric components for GLP-1 medications and regulatory-driven Annex 1 requirements.
Consumer Healthcare Challenges:
11%, primarily due to lower sales of nasal decongestant and nasal saline products.8%.The decline in cough and cold volumes in Europe has affected the segment, although signs of recovery are expected in Q4.
Beauty Segment Dynamics:
The segment's adjusted EBITDA margin declined by 120 basis points due to a less favorable sales mix and lower margin tooling sales.
Emergency Medicine Portfolio Impact:
5% of total company sales in Q3 and was expected to contribute about 5% for the full year 2025.35% is anticipated for the emergency medicine portfolio in 2026 due to near-term headwinds and elevated inventory levels at a large customer.Overall Tone: Neutral
Contradiction Point 1
Emergency Medicine Growth and Market Expectations
It directly impacts expectations regarding the growth trajectory and market conditions for a key product segment, influential in financial forecasting and investor expectations.
Could you clarify your comments on '26 for Pharma, particularly the 7% to 10% growth and emergency medicine's impact? Where is Europe's cough and cold category's destocking status? - Ghansham Panjabi (Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated)
2025Q3: Emergency medicine's end market is expected to decline 35% in '26. - Stephan Tanda(CEO)
With the end of the cough and cold destock, will pharma sales return to a normal cadence? - Matt Larew (William Blair & Co. L.L.C.)
2025Q1: Growth in emergency medicines is expected, but it's reasonable to expect a more normal growth trajectory eventually. - Stephan Tanda(CEO)
Contradiction Point 2
Inventory Normalization and Market Recovery
It involves differing perspectives on the timing and nature of inventory normalization and market recovery, which are crucial for understanding the company's operational and financial outlook.
Can you clarify the 7-10% growth and emergency medicine impact for '26 for Pharma, and where Europe's cough/cold category stands in destocking? - Ghansham Panjabi (Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated)
2025Q3: Europe's cough and cold destocking is largely complete and expected to return to growth. - Stephan Tanda(CEO)
Can you provide updates on order patterns and inventory levels in pharma and CHC? How is GLP-1 affecting injectables? - George Staphos (Bank of America)
2025Q1: It's challenging to predict the timeline for inventory normalization. - Stephan Tanda(CEO)
Contradiction Point 3
Emergency Medicine Sales and Inventory Levels
It involves changes in expectations for emergency medicine sales and inventory levels, which could impact revenue and profitability in the Pharma segment.
Can you clarify your comments on the 7% to 10% growth and emergency medicine's impact for the 2026 Pharma segment? - Ghansham Panjabi (Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated)
2025Q3: Emergency medicine's end market is expected to decline 35% in '26. Europe's cough and cold destocking is largely complete and expected to return to growth. - Stephan Tanda(CEO)
What green shoots are you seeing in China? What momentum and impact could these developments have in 2025? - George Staphos (Bank of America)
2024Q4: We expect market conditions for cough and cold products to improve in 2025, supported by a potential for destocking to stabilize and demand to normalize. - Vanessa Kanu(CFO)
Contradiction Point 4
Beauty Segment Growth and Inventory Levels
It involves changes in expectations for the Beauty segment's growth and inventory levels, which could impact revenue and profitability.
Did you observe any signs of Beauty destocking in the quarter? - George Staphos (BofA Securities, Research Division)
2025Q3: There hasn't been destocking in Beauty, and we've actually seen good order entry into Q1. - Stephan Tanda(CEO)
Given that currency rates remain at current levels and tax rates align with your expectations, do you expect earnings per share to grow in 2025 compared to 2024? - George Staphos (Bank of America)
2024Q4: For Personal Care and Beauty, we've seen ongoing destocking. Inventories are up significantly in the low double digits in our largest markets. - Stephan Tanda(CEO)
Contradiction Point 5
Legal Expenses and Their Impact
It involves changes in the company's approach to legal expenses and their impact on financial results, which are critical for investors to understand.
Why were litigation costs removed from the updated 3Q guidance? - Ghansham Panjabi (Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated)
2025Q3: The actual litigation costs came in at $4.4 million, lower than the initial $5-6 million estimate. These costs are not indicative of the underlying business performance and are being excluded from adjusted results. - Vanessa Kanu(CFO)
What about legal expenditures related to intellectual property rights? - George Leon Staphos (Bank of America)
2025Q2: Legal costs associated with intellectual property litigation are expected to remain elevated for the next few quarters. The company anticipates expenses of about $0.06 to $0.07 per share for the third quarter. - Vanessa Kanu(CFO)
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