Q3 2025: Contradictions Emerge on Cash Cost Expectations, M&A Strategy, and Tia Maria Financing

Date of Call: October 29, 2025

Financials Results

• Revenue: $3.4B, up $446M or 15% YOY (Q3 2025 vs Q3 2024)
• Gross Margin: Adjusted EBITDA margin 59%, compared to 58% in Q3 2024 (Adjusted EBITDA $1,975M, up 17% YOY)
• Operating Margin: Net income margin 33%, compared to 31% in Q3 2024 (Net income $1,108M, up 23% YOY)

Guidance:

• 2025 copper production expected ~960,000 tons (slightly <1% below plan).
• Preliminary 2026 copper forecast ~911,000 tons (under review).
• 2025 by-product guidance: molybdenum ~30,000 tons (+4% vs 2024); silver ~23 Moz (+10%); zinc ~174,700 tons (+34%).
• Q4 2025 operating cash cost before by-products expected ~$2.15–$2.20/lb (Q3 $2.23); operating cash cost including by-products Q3 was $0.42/lb.
• 2026 CapEx expected ~ $2B; Tia Maria CapEx ~$866M; multi-year Peru pipeline ~$10.3B and Mexico ~$10.2B.
• Tia Maria permitted to start exploitation; ramp-up expected H1 2027.
• Quarterly cash dividend $0.90 and stock dividend 0.0085 shares declared.

Business Commentary:

• Record Financial Performance:
• Southern Copper Corporation reported a record net sales of $3.4 billion for the third quarter of 2025, up 15% compared to the same period of 2024.
• The company also achieved record levels for adjusted EBITDA and net income, with increases of 17% and 23%, respectively.

• This strong performance was driven by higher production volumes, particularly in by-products like zinc, silver, and molybdenum, and improved metal prices across all products.

• Copper Production and Market Dynamics:

• Copper production registered a 7% decrease from the previous year, standing at 234,892 tons in Q3 2025.
• The decrease was mainly due to lower ore grades and operational changes in Mexican and Peruvian operations.

• Despite this reduction, the company maintains a positive outlook on the copper market, expecting a deficit of nearly 400,000 tons due to supply constraints, primarily in Chile and Indonesia.

• By-Product Growth:

• Production of molybdenum increased by 8%, reaching 30,000 tons for 2025, while zinc production surged 46%, totaling 45,482 tons.

• This growth was driven by higher production at the La Caridad and Toquepala mines for molybdenum and the significant increase in production at the Buenavista zinc concentrator for zinc.

• Capital Investments and Project Development:

• The company's capital investments are anticipated to surpass $10.3 billion in the next decade, with major projects like Tia Maria advancing towards construction with 23% progress completed.
• The focus on sustainable growth is evident with significant ESG initiatives, including greenhouse gas emission reductions and ecosystem recovery projects.
• Southern Copper maintains a strategy of organic growth, with future production expected to reach 1.6 million tons of copper by mid-2030s through new projects and operational improvements.

Sentiment Analysis:

Overall Tone: Positive

• Management: "delivered new company records for net sales, adjusted EBITDA and net income." Q3 adjusted EBITDA $1,975M (up 17% YOY); net income $1,108M (up 23% YOY); operating cash cost including by-product credits $0.42/lb (one of industry's lowest). Management cited a ~400,000-ton copper market deficit and expressed confidence in long-term fundamentals.

Q&A:

• Question from Carlos de Alba (Morgan Stanley): What is the expectations in terms of cash cost before byproducts in the fourth quarter and maybe in 2026?
  Response: Expect Q4 operating cash cost before by-product credits of ~$2.15–$2.20/lb (Q3 was $2.23); 2026 expected similar or better depending on by-product prices.

• Question from Carlos de Alba (Morgan Stanley): How much of purchases of third-party concentrate or cathodes did the company do in the third quarter? Expectations for the fourth quarter?
  Response: Bought third-party concentrate in Mexico to fill IMMSA facilities and for blending; will likely continue some third-party purchases.

• Question from Carlos de Alba (Morgan Stanley): But you're buying concentrate, you didn't buy cathodes even if the Ilo smelter was down?
  Response: Confirmed they did not acquire copper cathodes; sold more concentrate due to Ilo smelter/refinery maintenance.

• Question from Carlos de Alba (Morgan Stanley): Can you comment on government discussions/negotiations about the Sonora spill and potential financial impact?
  Response: Discussions ongoing; company views the matter as already resolved and currently has nothing material to report.

• Question from Timna Tanners (Wells Fargo): Given strong silver prices, is there anything you can do to produce more silver in the medium term?
  Response: Silver production is up for 2025 (guidance 23 Moz, +10%); limited near-term flexibility because Buenavista concentrator was routed to prioritize higher‑value zinc in 2025.

• Question from Timna Tanners (Wells Fargo): Any updated thoughts on M&A versus preferring organic projects?
  Response: Preference remains for organic growth—current projects offer superior economics—but will consider M&A if an attractive opportunity arises.

• Question from Alejandro Anibal Demichelis (Jefferies): How are you seeing 2026 in volumes and CapEx, and any impact from Peru's political situation on operations/ports?
  Response: No operational impact seen from Peru political unrest; preliminary 2026 copper forecast ~911,000 tons (under review); 2026 CapEx expected ~ $2B including ~ $866M for Tia Maria.

• Question from Myles Allsop (UBS): Do you have all permits to push ahead with Tia Maria and when will completion/ramp-up occur?
  Response: Have permits to start construction/exploitation; expect initial testing and ramp-up in H1 2027.

• Question from Myles Allsop (UBS): Is financing for Tia Maria likely via bonds or other routes?
  Response: Likely to access debt markets at some point to finance Tia Maria, evaluating options given lower rates.

• Question from Myles Allsop (UBS): Which project is expected to FID after Tia Maria (Los Chancas, Michiquillay, El Arco)?
  Response: Los Chancas expected to be next in execution, with Michiquillay also in line; timing depends on permitting and resolving illegal mining issues.

• Question from Alfonso Salazar (Scotiabank): Why is the company building a large cash position (~$4.5B) while retaining hybrid dividends?
  Response: Cash is elevated because debt for Tia Maria has not been raised and strong cash generation; holding cash to fund dividends and upcoming projects.

• Question from Alfonso Salazar (Scotiabank): With elections and possible protests, what's the action plan for Tia Maria social risk?
  Response: Working closely with local communities and authorities; currently the area is calm and favorable, and the company is continuously monitoring social circumstances.

• Question from Tingshuai Feng (CICC): Any updates on LPR project progress (expected production 2028)?
  Response: No material progress to report on LPR's leaching/recovery; that's why it wasn't highlighted in the press release.

• Question from Tingshuai Feng (CICC): Would extending the reinforcement scheme affect Los Chancas development given illegal miners?
  Response: No permit holders of that type are on the project site now; company sees the permit extension as a Congressional matter and expects no extension; currently a non‑issue for development.

• Question from Jonathan Brandt (HSBC): Why continue the stock dividend in addition to $0.90 cash and any thoughts on hedging by-products?
  Response: Board chose stock dividend to provide additional shareholder liquidity using low‑cost treasury shares bought pre‑2016; no active hedging programs now though zero‑cost collars were used historically.

• Question from Jonathan Brandt (HSBC): How many treasury shares remain and will stock dividend continue until they're depleted?
  Response: Reported ~72 million treasury shares prior to the dividend (company referenced ~65–72M); no explicit commitment stated about running stock dividends until depletion.

• Question from Grant Sporre (Bloomberg Intelligence): How should we think about medium‑term copper guidance increases (2027/2028) and offsetting grade declines?
  Response: Increases assume Tia Maria ramping in 2027 and subsequent projects (El Pilar, El Arco) later; management plans actions (e.g., Cuajone measures) to mitigate ore‑grade decline.

• Question from Grant Sporre (Bloomberg Intelligence): In a do‑nothing scenario would existing operations decline ~2–3% and you expect to offset with projects?
  Response: Management's plan is to implement mitigation actions on existing operations and add new projects to maintain and grow production toward 1.6 Mt by mid‑2030s.

• Question from Marcio Farid Filho (Goldman Sachs): Confidence Tia Maria can reach ~100,000 tons by 2027; Cuajone expansion timeline and cost implications?
  Response: Expect production start in 2027 and will provide clearer guidance in January; Cuajone expansion likely a new line (not full concentrator) estimated $600–$700M to add ~40k t, under internal review and not yet Board‑approved.

Contradiction Point 1

Cash Cost Expectations

It directly impacts cost management expectations and financial forecasting, which are crucial factors for investors assessing future performance.

What are expectations for cash costs before by-products in Q4 and 2026? - Carlos de Alba(Morgan Stanley)

2025Q3: For the fourth quarter, we expect to decrease our cash cost due to a partial recovery of production, particularly at Peruvian operations. We anticipate a range of $2.15 to $2.20 in the fourth quarter. - Raul Jacob(CFO)

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2025Q1: The cash cost before by-products is expected to decrease due to improved productivity and strategic investments like the Buenavista zinc concentrator. Our current expectation is a range of $0.75 to $0.80 per pound. - Raul Jacob(CFO)

Contradiction Point 2

M&A Strategy

It represents a shift in the company's strategic approach to growth, which is important for investors to understand the company's plans for future expansion.

Are you still prefer organic growth over M&A, amid recent sector M&A activity? - Timna Tanners(Wells Fargo Securities)

2025Q3: We are focused on organic growth. These projects have excellent economics. If there is a good opportunity, we will review it, but currently, there's no major change in our approach. - Raul Jacob(CFO)

How should we think about cash costs evolving for the remainder of the year? Can you explain the increase in the proportion of the share dividend and how we should expect that proportion to evolve in the future? - Alejandro Anibal Demichelis(Jefferies)

2025Q1: We are truly keen to do it, but the dynamics that I just described make us favor the organic growth, and we'll stay involved on the M&A front, but the organic growth is our priority. - Oscar Gonzalez/CEO

Contradiction Point 3

Production and Ore Grade Management

It involves the company's strategy to maintain production levels in the face of ore grade declines, which is crucial for assessing the company's long-term sustainability and growth prospects.

Can you provide your medium-term copper guidance and your strategy for managing ore grade declines? - Grant Sporre(Bloomberg Intelligence)

2025Q3: We plan to offset grade declines by expanding the Cuajone concentrator and initiating new projects like Tia Maria. Our guidance includes maintaining production levels through these actions. - Raul Jacob(CFO)

Will production remain at projected levels in 2026 and 2027, or will it decline? - Myles Allsop(UBS Investment Bank)

2025Q1: We aim to maintain production but may see a slight reduction next year. Production is expected to increase significantly from 2028 onwards with the ramp-up of new projects like Tia Maria. - Raul Jacob(CFO)

Contradiction Point 4

Copper Production and Costs

It involves differing expectations for copper production and costs, which are critical for understanding the company's operational performance and financial health.

What are the expectations for cash cost before by-products in Q4 and 2026? - Carlos de Alba (Morgan Stanley)

2025Q3: We expect to see our production in Peru return to normal levels during the fourth quarter. - Raul Jacob(CFO)

What caused the discrepancy between copper production and sales this quarter? Will this trend reverse in the fourth quarter? - Gabriel Simoes (Goldman Sachs)

2024Q3: We believe that during the fourth quarter, we will be able to achieve close to our full capacity. - Raul Jacob(CFO)

Contradiction Point 5

Tia Maria Project Financing

It involves changes in the financing strategy for the Tia Maria project, which impacts the company's financial plans and investor expectations.

Will Tia Maria be financed through bonds as in previous projects? - Myles Allsop (UBS Investment Bank)

2025Q3: We are evaluating financing options. Given lower interest rates, we are more likely to go to the debt market for financing. - Raul Jacob(CFO)

What are your plans for debt issuance over the next 12 months, particularly related to the 2025 bond maturity and increased CapEx for greenfield projects at Tia Maria? - Ian Snyder (JPMorgan)

2024Q3: We are going to use, obviously, the Tia Maria bonds that we have. We are going to use the $2 billion loan from the Mexican Bank of Infrastructure, and then that's going to be the funding. - Jose de Jesus Valenzuela(Mining Director)